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hello and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host

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and another exciting show for you this

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evening just a couple of things um next

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week i'm still i'm back on the east

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coast by the way had a wonderful time

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out on the west coast

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and going to be here for next week we

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have a great guest

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um chris pittman um he's been on a lot

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of tv shows he's a ufo historian a real

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nice guy i'm really looking forward to

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that show i'm going to be doing that

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show um from new england and then the

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following week

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my friend and i are heading out to

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arizona we're going to be at the mufon

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boot camp i'm going to be filming uh

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during the boot camp i actually have

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permission

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and

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we're going to be doing a show right

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from uh one of the um mufon members

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homes out there with uh i think matthew

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roberts who is a a guest that a lot of

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people really liked on this show before

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he lives here he's going to be joining

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us as far as i know that should work out

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this week

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we have a blog by charles lear again

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hats off to him he does a lot of really

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good work this title to this one's

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called ufos nycap and the cia nycap is

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the national

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investigations committee for aerial

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phenomena

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that was founded back in 1956 it was

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actually it appears to be that it was

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founded by a

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cia

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member or had something to do in the

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past with the cia and so it's a it's a

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bit uh of a cloudy uh area whether the

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cia well they actually admitted they

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were overt and uh was putting it out

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there that they were

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part of it in the very beginning and uh

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and then later on as well i know jack

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brewer has done a lot of

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investigations on this and i'm not

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really sure if it can be um a hundred

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percent sure that there was cia

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involvement all the way along but i do

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believe that they wanted to find out

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some information

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and there was also something about

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propulsion at one time that was very

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interesting that someone involved in

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icap was involved in great article over

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there and as always they're made into

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audio blogs that come out about um

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during the weekend every week that also

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pops up on youtube and also on our

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that's it um so

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anyway our guest this evening dr irina

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scott

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she was on about four or five years ago

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and she has been doing a lot of work

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good work in this field

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she has a dia background

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she i believe went to veterinarian

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school i can talk to her a little bit

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more about that she has her phd

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she is a wonderful guest i remember her

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from last time very enjoyable

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and it gives me great pleasure to bring

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her on the show this evening and here

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she is welcome to the show

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do you want to be called irena or what

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would you like to be called irena that's

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my name

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okay

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all right now i remember irena thanks so

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much for uh your willingness to be on i

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tried to get uh calvin parker i'm not

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sure he's had some health health issues

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i'm trying to get him to join us uh um

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but i wasn't able to reach him but that

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would uh but he still has time i mean if

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he sends me an email or whatever during

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the show i can still uh try to bring him

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in but anyway uh

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i remember you telling me uh about your

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background but you um

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if i if i have this right you grew up

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kind of on the poor side and uh i don't

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i believe you only had a radio when you

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were growing up and you didn't have a tv

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and you had some type of strange

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ufo encounter but it was a small thing

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and let's start out with that when you

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were really young

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this thing came into your room and i

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want to i want to rule out the the the

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obvious things that it could have been

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first of all firefly um so i'm going to

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ask you a couple questions you thought

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it was more like a orange glowing

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thing it was small like the size of a i

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don't know a few inches or something

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like that

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um and it was like an orange glowing

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thing did it blink at all is it a steady

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a steady light

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well since the tic-tac has come out it

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was just about like that it was

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small and shaped sort of like a cough

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drop or a tic tac

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how about that

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so i have something to describe it with

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it was

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yeah it um

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looked like a little piece of metal it

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looked like

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and um we were very poor at the time

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my father had been my parents had been

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farming with horses almost

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before that and they electrified and we

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got a radio

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but we didn't we weren't exposed to the

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media at all

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and um we never heard of ufos or flying

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saucers or even space travel or anything

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else

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it happened to my sister and i and we

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were sleeping in opposite sides of a

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attic room

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and um

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summer and nice weather

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and dark at night

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woke up

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and this thing was flying around the

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room

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and it was nothing like a firefly which

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we were quite familiar with from

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um living on a farm

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like nothing i'd ever seen before but it

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was just sort of buzzing around like it

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just a browsing motion like it was

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looking around or something

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i soon know i was about six years old my

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sister was about four and i didn't know

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she was awake

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but um we apparently had both woke up

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about the same time

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i noticed pretty soon that

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it didn't run into anything it would

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just fly around if it came to an

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obstacle it would veer off it didn't it

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deflected from walls and the furniture

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and everything else

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and so i couldn't understand it because

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it looked like something dead

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but it was behaving like something alive

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and i thought this was very very strange

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and it kept flying around it got close

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to both of us

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and i wasn't especially scared or

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anything i just didn't have any idea

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what it was

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because i'd never seen anything like it

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it didn't blink it didn't make any sound

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after

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just sort of

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just a random motion like browsing but

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it came close to us a couple times both

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of us it flopped to the ceiling

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but it didn't hit the ceiling it uh

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turned and veered off

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and there was a um

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it was an attic room and the walls came

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together at the top there was about

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three

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feet in between them

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with a

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chandelier in the middle of the room

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and it um

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flew around under the um

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it flew from where it was to the

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chandelier

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and it seemed to know where it was and

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it seemed to know how to get between it

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and the walls

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and it just began to circle the

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chandelier between the chandelier and

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the walls

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and then

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it came down just in a perfect spiral

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just like if you put a

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line right straight down from the

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chandelier and when it got just about

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directly below the chandelier

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we both became terrified

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and started running out of the room and

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screaming and everything

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and we were so terrified we

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ran to each other and fell down the

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stairs and then we couldn't get the

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stair door open

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and we ran to our parents shrieking and

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they told us it was that nothing had

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happened that we were just imagining it

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and

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obviously we weren't because two of us

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saw it but they sort of kept on saying

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that you know we were lying or imagining

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it so that was

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what happened

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yeah yeah i i know who

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i remember i had a bat come in my room

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i got a video of it and put it on

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youtube

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well and i remember also the other

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sighting you had we talked about this

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too the other sighting you had

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was um really weird because a trucker

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stopped when you were trying to take a

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picture

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and you were pointing to the object and

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he kept turning and looking the opposite

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way of the way you were pointing that's

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what i remember you told me from the

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last time you were on which is the most

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bizarre thing and then the thing got

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away and you didn't get a picture of it

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or you didn't get a good picture or

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something right

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it should have been obvious my sister

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was there too

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and we he came up and started talking to

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us at first i thought we had another

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witness because the thing was close

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and you could see in the windows and we

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thought there were windows instead of

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panels and we'd seen blimps with you

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know lighted sides and things

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and he came up and said what are you

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looking at

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and i pointed and

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acted like it was an airplane i didn't

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say ufo

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and

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he just

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rotated around looked the exact opposite

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direction and said i don't see anything

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then he turned back around

285
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and looked at me and said i don't you

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know and said what are you looking at

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and i pointed again at it

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and he turned around

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and right before that i was just ready

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but then he turned he turned around just

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exactly the opposite of where it was so

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he must have known where it was said i

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don't see anything he turned back around

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and then he did a motion like pointing

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his head or something like i was insane

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and then he went back to his truck and i

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found out some more about that recently

298
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too but he went back to his truck and

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but i did get a picture and it turned

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out good and i published in a scientific

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journal

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but um

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then i decided to get on the freeway

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and turn my car around so it'd be going

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the opposite direction

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where he

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got right behind me right on my bumper

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turned his bright lights on showing him

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in my mirror so that i couldn't i was

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just blinded because trucks have higher

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lights i think yeah worse do

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and i slowed down and speeded up and

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everything else he just stayed on my

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bumper and i thought he was going to

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kill us

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and i finally thought well he's a truck

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he must be heavier and i floored it well

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he stayed right behind me

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and so i couldn't get rid of him

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and finally i decided what to do would

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be to go on the left-hand side of the

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road and then when i saw an intersection

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just suddenly veer off

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and i did that and got rid of him but he

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could have killed us and so it was a

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pretty

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suspenseful

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yeah

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much more horrific than the ufo sighting

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itself he wasn't wearing black was he

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black no it was dark um

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and i didn't you know i didn't know he

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was going to chase us beforehand i just

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i mean so bizarre

335
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i would have observed him more i guess

336
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but we were pretty busy watching the

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object

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too so i know your training is uh

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are you actually a veterinarian or did

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you train to be one

341
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well i wanted to get in astronomy and i

342
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tried that right i was going to go there

343
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yeah and

344
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uh it was me lonely for a long time and

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so finally i was working my way through

346
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school i didn't have a lot of money so

347
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eventually

348
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i went to vet school and got a phd but i

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didn't really want to be a vet i wanted

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to do research so i got a phd instead of

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the

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vet degree although phd is probably just

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as well

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right and i know your first level is

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astronomy

356
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and so why don't you talk about that and

357
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you did some work in the dia uh through

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that right

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yeah when i was trying to get into

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astronomy

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i applied to jobs and

362
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they just said no females and i didn't

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have any success at all and i wasn't

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allowed to lie

365
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so um

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i tried to

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get into mapping at first into

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cartography because they hired females

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and they were also mapping the moon in

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other places

371
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but i wound up with a real high security

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clearance

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and eventually wound up at the dia

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and my one one part of my job where

375
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there was in air order of battle and

376
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that was from using satellite

377
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photography and looking down and

378
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identifying airplanes

379
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uh at a pic a particular um location on

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the world in the world they had

381
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different people in different places

382
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and so

383
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um

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i was

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in photogrammetry

386
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i see wow that so um and that's pretty

387
00:15:12,949 --> 00:15:09,920
interesting that you got involved

388
00:15:14,230 --> 00:15:12,959
um with ufos after having that that

389
00:15:17,189 --> 00:15:14,240
background that's that's pretty

390
00:15:19,590 --> 00:15:17,199
interesting but um and all the time that

391
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you were doing that type of work i bet

392
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you were probably never really talked

393
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about

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ufos did you

395
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definitely not i was there were only two

396
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females on the whole floor and it was

397
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weird enough to be a female but um i

398
00:15:36,790 --> 00:15:34,320
definitely didn't go around saying i see

399
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ufos

400
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we had real high security clearances and

401
00:15:44,949 --> 00:15:41,920
ufos weren't supposed to exist even

402
00:15:46,550 --> 00:15:44,959
so it's not something you talked about

403
00:15:48,069 --> 00:15:46,560
right right well you know there have

404
00:15:49,910 --> 00:15:48,079
been some women

405
00:15:53,749 --> 00:15:49,920
in astronomy over the years that have

406
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really made um some big breakthroughs i

407
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um

408
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let's see herschel was one of them i'm

409
00:16:00,230 --> 00:15:58,160
just trying to remember who

410
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um some other ones were but there have

411
00:16:04,550 --> 00:16:03,040
been people in but you know they you're

412
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right they they start out with a

413
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disadvantage

414
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like you know what does a woman know

415
00:16:10,710 --> 00:16:09,360
that's the thinking then which is kind

416
00:16:11,590 --> 00:16:10,720
of ridiculous

417
00:16:22,870 --> 00:16:11,600
um

418
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is really too bad why and you're during

419
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our time in your time

420
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that um it was looked down upon that's

421
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that's really sad because um um your

422
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your life could have taken a whole

423
00:16:34,550 --> 00:16:32,880
different turn and you've been doing

424
00:16:37,110 --> 00:16:34,560
something you really loved

425
00:16:38,150 --> 00:16:37,120
yeah i'm disappointed with that my whole

426
00:16:39,590 --> 00:16:38,160
life

427
00:16:42,150 --> 00:16:39,600
right right

428
00:16:43,670 --> 00:16:42,160
so um let's let's talk about you've

429
00:16:45,189 --> 00:16:43,680
already you've written a book before

430
00:16:46,389 --> 00:16:45,199
that's what you talked about last time

431
00:16:48,310 --> 00:16:46,399
you were on

432
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and uh you have a new book let's talk

433
00:16:53,110 --> 00:16:50,639
about that one

434
00:16:55,509 --> 00:16:53,120
um my new book is

435
00:16:58,790 --> 00:16:55,519
beyond pascagoula

436
00:17:05,909 --> 00:17:01,269
pascagoula

437
00:17:07,669 --> 00:17:05,919
the epascogula abduction is very famous

438
00:17:10,470 --> 00:17:07,679
throughout it's one of the most famous

439
00:17:11,990 --> 00:17:10,480
abductions ever

440
00:17:13,350 --> 00:17:12,000
and what i wrote about was everything

441
00:17:16,549 --> 00:17:13,360
else besides

442
00:17:19,909 --> 00:17:16,559
the um pascagoula abduction should i go

443
00:17:22,069 --> 00:17:19,919
into what the pascagoula objection was

444
00:17:23,669 --> 00:17:22,079
uh yeah i mean i've had kelvin on a few

445
00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:23,679
times and actually he

446
00:17:25,590 --> 00:17:24,720
um

447
00:17:40,230 --> 00:17:25,600
i

448
00:17:42,789 --> 00:17:40,240
for many many years and he actually uh

449
00:17:45,270 --> 00:17:42,799
i had a blog up on my website he read

450
00:17:48,310 --> 00:17:45,280
the blog emailed me this is going back

451
00:17:50,630 --> 00:17:48,320
about six or seven years ago

452
00:17:52,630 --> 00:17:50,640
and when he did that i i was so excited

453
00:17:54,630 --> 00:17:52,640
that it was actually him i said is this

454
00:17:56,470 --> 00:17:54,640
the calvin parker

455
00:17:58,230 --> 00:17:56,480
he said yes and so he was on the show

456
00:18:01,510 --> 00:17:58,240
and and he decided to talk about it

457
00:18:04,310 --> 00:18:01,520
again and uh so i'm and it's come quite

458
00:18:07,510 --> 00:18:04,320
a long way from there it's always been a

459
00:18:09,029 --> 00:18:07,520
fascinating case but um yes for the we

460
00:18:10,870 --> 00:18:09,039
do have a lot of new listeners so why

461
00:18:13,669 --> 00:18:10,880
don't we go quickly into that

462
00:18:17,110 --> 00:18:13,679
about uh what what him and uh

463
00:18:19,510 --> 00:18:17,120
hixon experienced back then in uh

464
00:18:21,830 --> 00:18:19,520
and uh

465
00:18:23,350 --> 00:18:21,840
on this on the dock right the fishing

466
00:18:24,789 --> 00:18:23,360
dock

467
00:18:26,310 --> 00:18:24,799
so go ahead if you wouldn't mind doing

468
00:18:27,990 --> 00:18:26,320
the nutshell of that

469
00:18:29,750 --> 00:18:28,000
well i think philip mantle said you were

470
00:18:33,110 --> 00:18:29,760
who connected um

471
00:18:36,390 --> 00:18:33,120
calvin and him right so that's pretty

472
00:18:38,789 --> 00:18:36,400
fantastic yeah yeah he's done a lot

473
00:18:40,789 --> 00:18:38,799
yeah phillip has done a really good job

474
00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:40,799
with what he's done with uh with this

475
00:18:45,590 --> 00:18:43,840
and and also you as well

476
00:18:47,270 --> 00:18:45,600
well what um

477
00:18:50,710 --> 00:18:47,280
happened was to

478
00:18:52,310 --> 00:18:50,720
cover quickly was that um

479
00:18:54,310 --> 00:18:52,320
calvin and

480
00:18:57,510 --> 00:18:54,320
charles hickson

481
00:18:59,990 --> 00:18:57,520
were co-workers at a um

482
00:19:03,430 --> 00:19:00,000
ship building facility

483
00:19:05,830 --> 00:19:03,440
and uh after work they decided to go

484
00:19:07,590 --> 00:19:05,840
fishing and so they went one place and

485
00:19:10,310 --> 00:19:07,600
didn't catch a fish and went someplace

486
00:19:11,909 --> 00:19:10,320
else and so on finally they wound up at

487
00:19:13,990 --> 00:19:11,919
this place where

488
00:19:15,990 --> 00:19:14,000
charles wanted to go

489
00:19:17,510 --> 00:19:16,000
that was kind of posted like no fishing

490
00:19:19,830 --> 00:19:17,520
or something

491
00:19:21,909 --> 00:19:19,840
and he said it's okay to go and calvin

492
00:19:23,190 --> 00:19:21,919
was nervous about it and

493
00:19:25,430 --> 00:19:23,200
say the police will get us and

494
00:19:27,270 --> 00:19:25,440
everything so they went on out to the

495
00:19:30,070 --> 00:19:27,280
pier fishing

496
00:19:32,789 --> 00:19:30,080
and then they saw blue lights

497
00:19:34,950 --> 00:19:32,799
and he was afraid the police were after

498
00:19:36,710 --> 00:19:34,960
him and so he looked for cops and he was

499
00:19:39,430 --> 00:19:36,720
going to tell charles it's your fault

500
00:19:41,110 --> 00:19:39,440
you can go to jail but it was much much

501
00:19:42,470 --> 00:19:41,120
much worse than

502
00:19:46,150 --> 00:19:42,480
the police

503
00:19:49,029 --> 00:19:46,160
because this um object came down

504
00:19:50,870 --> 00:19:49,039
um it didn't land it just kind of

505
00:19:53,909 --> 00:19:50,880
hovered over the ground

506
00:19:55,909 --> 00:19:53,919
and these three things came out

507
00:19:57,909 --> 00:19:55,919
and two of them grabbed charles and one

508
00:20:00,310 --> 00:19:57,919
of them grabbed calvin

509
00:20:01,909 --> 00:20:00,320
and took him inside the

510
00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:01,919
object

511
00:20:07,029 --> 00:20:05,280
and apparently did some measurements on

512
00:20:09,669 --> 00:20:07,039
them and that sort of thing and then

513
00:20:11,350 --> 00:20:09,679
release them well they were terrified

514
00:20:13,270 --> 00:20:11,360
beyond anybody

515
00:20:15,190 --> 00:20:13,280
you could even imagine

516
00:20:17,110 --> 00:20:15,200
and apparently

517
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um

518
00:20:19,830 --> 00:20:18,559
calvin

519
00:20:21,430 --> 00:20:19,840
after they released him was just

520
00:20:22,470 --> 00:20:21,440
standing there with his arms up in the

521
00:20:23,270 --> 00:20:22,480
air

522
00:20:24,950 --> 00:20:23,280
and

523
00:20:27,270 --> 00:20:24,960
um charles

524
00:20:28,149 --> 00:20:27,280
kind of woke him up

525
00:20:30,470 --> 00:20:28,159
and

526
00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:32,070
they

527
00:20:42,549 --> 00:20:40,000
and then charles who was the older man

528
00:20:45,029 --> 00:20:42,559
and who had been in the war and

529
00:20:48,070 --> 00:20:45,039
had been through real bad experiences

530
00:20:49,270 --> 00:20:48,080
said yeah we have to

531
00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:49,280
tell somebody

532
00:20:53,110 --> 00:20:50,880
and calvin didn't want to he didn't want

533
00:20:54,710 --> 00:20:53,120
to talk about he just wanted to get away

534
00:20:58,230 --> 00:20:54,720
and not think about

535
00:20:59,909 --> 00:20:58,240
but they first contacted

536
00:21:01,750 --> 00:20:59,919
the newspaper and the newspaper was

537
00:21:04,710 --> 00:21:01,760
closed and then they

538
00:21:07,110 --> 00:21:04,720
contacted kessler air force base

539
00:21:08,950 --> 00:21:07,120
and they said we don't the air force

540
00:21:10,950 --> 00:21:08,960
doesn't take ufo reports and told them

541
00:21:12,310 --> 00:21:10,960
to go to somebody

542
00:21:14,230 --> 00:21:12,320
local

543
00:21:16,789 --> 00:21:14,240
so they

544
00:21:18,549 --> 00:21:16,799
contacted the police and you can imagine

545
00:21:21,510 --> 00:21:18,559
what it'd be like to contact the police

546
00:21:23,430 --> 00:21:21,520
with that i mean these um

547
00:21:25,510 --> 00:21:23,440
charles called and said

548
00:21:27,590 --> 00:21:25,520
you won't believe this but we were

549
00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:27,600
abducted by a ufo

550
00:21:30,789 --> 00:21:29,120
and

551
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:30,799
you know the police

552
00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:32,400
probably thought they were crazy except

553
00:21:34,950 --> 00:21:33,760
that they could the person that talked

554
00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:34,960
to him could hear calvin in the

555
00:21:39,029 --> 00:21:37,440
background crying and pleading not to

556
00:21:40,870 --> 00:21:39,039
say anything

557
00:21:43,029 --> 00:21:40,880
and so they um

558
00:21:45,110 --> 00:21:43,039
had him come to the police department

559
00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:45,120
and they interviewed him separately then

560
00:21:49,270 --> 00:21:46,720
they put him in a room together and

561
00:21:51,590 --> 00:21:49,280
somebody interviewed him and the person

562
00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:51,600
was interviewing left

563
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:53,120
and they didn't tell him but they had a

564
00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:00,070
and um

565
00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:02,640
so they were the police were planning to

566
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:04,720
um trap them and they figured when they

567
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:06,400
left the room that they would joke and

568
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:09,600
say haha we really put one over on them

569
00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:10,880
but instead they were both just

570
00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:13,120
absolutely terrified and just beyond

571
00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:14,640
anything

572
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:17,440
and so then the police began

573
00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:18,480
um

574
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:20,640
believing them

575
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:22,640
and um

576
00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:25,280
now and due to the fact that there were

577
00:22:28,630 --> 00:22:26,880
two of them

578
00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:28,640
and they had a lot of credibility on

579
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:31,039
account of the tape and everything

580
00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:32,559
it's one of the top

581
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:34,880
and they reported it immediately too

582
00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:37,919
it's one of the top ufo abduction cases

583
00:22:41,830 --> 00:22:40,240
ever

584
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:41,840
it really is and there's

585
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:43,039
there is

586
00:22:48,149 --> 00:22:45,200
the funny thing about

587
00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:48,159
that is the beings you know the the

588
00:22:53,430 --> 00:22:51,039
description because calvin doesn't

589
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:53,440
remember what charles

590
00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:56,880
um hixson did as far as when i mean i

591
00:23:00,070 --> 00:22:58,240
could pull this up in a minute i'll take

592
00:23:01,029 --> 00:23:00,080
me a minute to find it and put it in

593
00:23:01,830 --> 00:23:01,039
there

594
00:23:04,390 --> 00:23:01,840
but

595
00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:04,400
calvin's drawing is from

596
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:07,120
i'm not calvin's um i'm sorry dick uh

597
00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:09,840
hixson's drawing of this thing has cones

598
00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:11,039
on its head

599
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:13,360
and that's not what calvin remembers

600
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:16,000
and uh but he also remembers one that

601
00:23:19,510 --> 00:23:17,280
looked like a

602
00:23:20,830 --> 00:23:19,520
a woman he called it the woman

603
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:20,840
and

604
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:23,600
um you know there was uh the way he was

605
00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:25,919
examined and all that is is pretty

606
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:27,919
bizarre he you know he had actually had

607
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:29,679
some pain too

608
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:32,240
so um

609
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:34,080
you know i i know that really affected

610
00:23:38,789 --> 00:23:37,200
him in a lot of ways

611
00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:38,799
so i'm trying to pull up the picture now

612
00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:41,679
but um so there were other people that

613
00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:43,600
actually saw this thing you know not

614
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:45,600
exactly at the same time

615
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:47,520
but um but people

616
00:23:52,390 --> 00:23:50,240
they're they they think that some people

617
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:52,400
are two witnesses i believe is that

618
00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:54,720
right that think they saw something that

619
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:57,279
very same night is that is that how that

620
00:24:00,549 --> 00:23:58,080
goes

621
00:24:01,750 --> 00:24:00,559
there were more than one um

622
00:24:05,830 --> 00:24:01,760
the

623
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:05,840
said that actually

624
00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:07,679
there were

625
00:24:12,149 --> 00:24:10,880
50 formal reports that night of people

626
00:24:14,710 --> 00:24:12,159
seeing things

627
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:14,720
and a lot of other ones that didn't get

628
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:17,600
actually recorded so there were a huge

629
00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:19,840
number of sightings of people

630
00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:22,000
return of people reporting something

631
00:24:27,190 --> 00:24:23,919
that same night

632
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:30,149
yes they he thought they thought the

633
00:24:34,549 --> 00:24:32,559
whatever the things were that got them

634
00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:34,559
were kind of mechanical

635
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:35,679
right

636
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:36,720
three that

637
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:38,880
got a hold of them were kind of like

638
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:41,360
mechanical things they're robots

639
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:44,240
and like floating off of not quite

640
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:46,400
touching the ground which is something

641
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:49,200
that you do hear a bit about on some of

642
00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:50,880
the other cases too

643
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:53,120
for instance the arielle school they

644
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:54,880
didn't actually see this thing standing

645
00:24:58,950 --> 00:24:56,880
on the ground this being or there were

646
00:25:01,909 --> 00:24:58,960
three or four beings whatever they were

647
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:01,919
um like they floated along that's what

648
00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:02,880
they

649
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:05,360
calvin remembers

650
00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:07,760
now i never got to speak with with uh

651
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:10,720
hixson he passed away a while you know

652
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:12,240
quite a while ago but

653
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:15,120
um but according to calvin

654
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:17,039
you know these robotic things came out

655
00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:18,720
and as soon as they touched them they

656
00:25:22,950 --> 00:25:20,720
kind of he feels as though they floated

657
00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:22,960
it's a wild story

658
00:25:28,630 --> 00:25:25,600
but it's it's uh

659
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:28,640
the best part of this whole entire story

660
00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:30,240
in my opinion

661
00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:32,240
is the tape you mentioned

662
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:33,679
when they didn't know they were being

663
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:34,799
recorded

664
00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:36,320
they had no clue they were being

665
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:37,520
recorded

666
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:39,760
in in that police station

667
00:25:44,789 --> 00:25:42,559
and uh you know calvin was horrified

668
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:44,799
you know and and it came across and that

669
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:47,039
tape is available i was actually able to

670
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:49,360
listen to part of it it's not very clear

671
00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:52,640
you can hear it but it's i do believe

672
00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:53,919
i may have this right that it's on

673
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:55,120
youtube i don't know if you've ever

674
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:56,880
listened to it

675
00:26:02,789 --> 00:26:00,640
remember where i listened to that yeah i

676
00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:02,799
could probably look it up but i couldn't

677
00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:04,640
right now

678
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:06,400
so what was the genesis of you writing

679
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:08,960
this book let's let's get into that

680
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:12,159
well the genesis was for two things

681
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:14,559
one is is that um

682
00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:16,880
philip mantle there were actually a lot

683
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:18,799
of other witnesses and nobody had come

684
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:20,799
forth much

685
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:22,640
but he was finding people that will talk

686
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:24,480
about it now

687
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:26,880
and so he wanted somebody united states

688
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:28,960
to interview people

689
00:26:33,510 --> 00:26:31,120
and record the interviews and that sort

690
00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:33,520
of thing and he was you know over and

691
00:26:38,789 --> 00:26:35,919
um had an english accent and everything

692
00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:38,799
i think he won an american do it so

693
00:26:43,430 --> 00:26:41,120
i was interviewing the other witnesses

694
00:26:45,190 --> 00:26:43,440
but i had actually

695
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:45,200
started on

696
00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:48,559
the investigation of that

697
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:50,320
years ago

698
00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:53,279
because something at the same time as

699
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:54,720
uh their abduction something had

700
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:57,039
happened in my family that it caused me

701
00:27:02,950 --> 00:27:00,880
to uh be curious and start

702
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:02,960
well do you want to talk up i want to

703
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:04,720
just take a little sidestep and talk

704
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:06,720
about that

705
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:08,640
what happened in your family

706
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:10,159
yeah

707
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:12,240
what had happened was is that i was at

708
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:14,880
the university of missouri at that time

709
00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:16,799
working on my phd

710
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:19,600
and i got a phone call from my mother

711
00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:21,679
who was in ohio

712
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:24,799
and she said did you hear this sound

713
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:27,440
and i started kidding her because she

714
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:29,279
always said if she had dementia we

715
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:30,720
should tell her and things and so i

716
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:32,880
started joking with her and telling her

717
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:35,200
you know get the straight jacket and

718
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:37,600
turn yourself in and everything

719
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:40,000
and she still seemed to be curious about

720
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:42,000
whether i heard a sound and i thought it

721
00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:44,159
was weird because she's a real skeptic

722
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:46,480
several days later she called and said

723
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:49,279
that there was a real big ufo wave there

724
00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:50,320
and that

725
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:52,880
everybody was seeing him and a ufo had

726
00:27:57,909 --> 00:27:56,000
chased one of her friends in a car

727
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:57,919
and that people were keeping their kids

728
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:59,200
in it

729
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:00,320
and

730
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:06,399
afterwards i just forgot about it for

731
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:08,480
many many years

732
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:10,559
and then i was working at ohio state

733
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:12,320
university

734
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:14,640
and um they had a newspaper room with

735
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,480
actual newspapers

736
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:18,480
and so one day just for a while i

737
00:28:21,669 --> 00:28:20,240
decided to go in and see if i could find

738
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:21,679
a date on

739
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:24,240
when that sounded happened

740
00:28:27,909 --> 00:28:26,000
and i didn't expect to find anything and

741
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:27,919
i walked in the newspaper room there

742
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:30,240
were thousands millions of newspapers

743
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:32,159
and i thought i'd never find this but i

744
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:34,480
thought it was 1973 and i thought it was

745
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:37,120
in the middle of october but that was

746
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:38,480
just a guess

747
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:40,640
but i found it real fast

748
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:43,440
and it told about a real big noise

749
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:45,360
and i

750
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:47,520
uh looked at more and

751
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:49,679
it wasn't it was never explained there

752
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:51,600
was this huge noise

753
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:55,200
it was just heard over this huge area

754
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:56,320
and

755
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:00,559
for something to do i started doing some

756
00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:05,909
and um

757
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:09,039
i was i submitted it to a

758
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:11,120
peer-reviewed

759
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:13,279
scientific journal

760
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:15,600
and the

761
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:18,880
state of ohio seismologist contacted me

762
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:21,360
and he helped me do some more research

763
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:23,679
and i did publish it in the

764
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:25,440
scientific journal

765
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:28,320
but what was interesting was is that

766
00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:29,279
that

767
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:31,440
sound had happened just about

768
00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:33,360
as well she could

769
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:36,320
time it at exactly the same time as the

770
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:39,600
pascagouli abduction had happened

771
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:41,520
and so i don't know how it was tied

772
00:29:46,389 --> 00:29:43,360
together but that

773
00:29:49,029 --> 00:29:46,399
it after a while some people i wasn't in

774
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:49,039
ufology or at that time but some people

775
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:51,520
in ohio that were in ufology asked me to

776
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:53,039
give a talk about it and i called the

777
00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:55,039
big bang and gave it and that's what

778
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:56,159
actually

779
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:57,760
pulled me into

780
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:01,200
ufos was into

781
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:03,520
the organizations was that

782
00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:05,360
so it had

783
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:09,039
something that happened at the same time

784
00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:11,919
as their abduction had happened and

785
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:14,480
that was sort of my start into getting

786
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:16,720
into ufos

787
00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:17,840
oh so

788
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:20,000
it actually proceeded

789
00:30:23,669 --> 00:30:21,360
long before

790
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:23,679
um you actually were able to actually

791
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:24,720
speak with

792
00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:26,720
calvin parker then

793
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:29,360
yeah i mean um i hadn't even paid

794
00:30:34,830 --> 00:30:31,440
attention to that because what i paid

795
00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:36,389
um

796
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:37,279
and

797
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:38,880
um

798
00:30:42,789 --> 00:30:41,360
then i didn't pay too much attention to

799
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:42,799
it until

800
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:44,640
just a few years ago when

801
00:30:50,070 --> 00:30:48,000
uh phillip told me to ask me to um

802
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:50,080
start interviewing people and i haven't

803
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:52,480
even read too much about it then but

804
00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:54,320
it the two things happened about the

805
00:31:02,870 --> 00:30:59,669
yeah and there was a

806
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:02,880
there was a flap back in 1973

807
00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:06,480
right there was a huge flap

808
00:31:09,269 --> 00:31:07,600
it was

809
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:09,279
a lot of people consider it the biggest

810
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:11,200
flap they ever had

811
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:16,710
a lot of it was a pasagul a lot but a

812
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:18,960
lot of it was in ohio too

813
00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:21,360
and all over the country

814
00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:23,600
um

815
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:25,360
and maybe i think it was the world it

816
00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:26,080
was

817
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:36,549
it seems to me that i remember about

818
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:38,080
that time

819
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:39,440
um i was

820
00:31:45,509 --> 00:31:42,720
actually in in high school i remember

821
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:45,519
that there was a lot of things locally

822
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:47,840
now i grew up in southern maine right

823
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:50,320
near the border of new hampshire and um

824
00:31:55,029 --> 00:31:52,720
i remember that there was a lot of talk

825
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:55,039
about ufos

826
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:57,279
early when i was in high school

827
00:32:01,029 --> 00:31:59,200
so it's about that same time and that

828
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:01,039
was also the year of when they had the

829
00:32:05,669 --> 00:32:04,240
major gas shortage the fuel shortage if

830
00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:05,679
you remember that

831
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:08,720
there was a whole lot going on then um

832
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:11,039
there was the fuel shortage there was

833
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:11,760
the

834
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:16,480
um

835
00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:18,960
they got rid of spyro agnew and put in a

836
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:21,440
new vice president yeah agreement was a

837
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:23,600
big criminal well next never got a

838
00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:26,640
chance to get impeached he resigned

839
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:29,679
he knew what was coming up yeah yeah

840
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:31,519
yeah there was a lot of turmoil a lot of

841
00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:32,480
uh

842
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:34,480
but um i do remember at the same time

843
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:37,200
though that was a very active time

844
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:39,600
and you know i i really wasn't paying

845
00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:42,799
that much attention to ufos uh for most

846
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:44,799
of my life but i do remember people were

847
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:48,080
talking about it and there was also um

848
00:32:52,230 --> 00:32:50,960
someone that tried to create a hoax i do

849
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:52,240
remember that

850
00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:54,960
in in my in my area someone from high

851
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:58,000
school got caught trying to put

852
00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:00,880
lights on motorcycles and something i

853
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:02,559
can't remember what it was something

854
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:03,600
bizarre

855
00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:05,600
and some sandpit or something like that

856
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:09,519
but uh yeah but interesting and so

857
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:11,200
um

858
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:12,480
there were

859
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:14,240
there was a lot going on in the

860
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:16,159
pascagoula area too is that what you

861
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:17,519
found out when you were doing the

862
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:18,559
research

863
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:21,039
there was a whole lot going on and

864
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:21,840
um

865
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:24,000
people didn't report back then one

866
00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:29,990
charlie and calvin were harassed so much

867
00:33:34,630 --> 00:33:32,799
that nobody even wanted to say anything

868
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:34,640
but now a number of people are coming

869
00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:36,880
forward there were a lot of reports back

870
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:39,440
then and also

871
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:40,880
in the papers

872
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:42,640
and so i've been

873
00:33:45,669 --> 00:33:44,159
um

874
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:45,679
interviewing a lot of people that are

875
00:33:54,149 --> 00:33:52,710
why would why do you think they would

876
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:54,159
take all this

877
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:55,679
time and and

878
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:57,519
what what kind of witness can you find

879
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:59,360
this many years after i one of the

880
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:01,200
things that people

881
00:34:04,470 --> 00:34:03,200
like to complain about is why do i

882
00:34:06,149 --> 00:34:04,480
always talk about

883
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:06,159
why'd i always have guests to talk about

884
00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:09,520
old cases and usually the reason i say

885
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:12,079
it's important is because a lot of times

886
00:34:15,190 --> 00:34:13,919
people finally feel comfortable in

887
00:34:17,829 --> 00:34:15,200
coming forward

888
00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:17,839
and talking about it is uh

889
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:20,000
is that what you find is has happened in

890
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:22,000
this particular case

891
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:24,560
yeah because um they didn't want to talk

892
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:26,399
about it back then because

893
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:28,560
um several a number of people just told

894
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:31,919
me how they were harassed and um

895
00:34:35,829 --> 00:34:34,000
they were called drunks and crazy people

896
00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:35,839
and everything else and so they didn't

897
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:37,040
say anything

898
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:39,839
well now the um

899
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:41,839
especially since the government in 60

900
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:44,399
minutes and other things have said yeah

901
00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:46,399
something's going on well they feel more

902
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:50,720
secure about talking about it and

903
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:53,440
they don't get harassed as much so a num

904
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:54,800
quite a number of people have come

905
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:56,879
forward

906
00:35:03,910 --> 00:35:00,880
so 1973 is a long time ago

907
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:03,920
of these are these people very elderly

908
00:35:08,790 --> 00:35:06,000
at this point or were there some people

909
00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:08,800
that were young at the time

910
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:10,400
a lot of them were young

911
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:11,680
um

912
00:35:17,829 --> 00:35:14,160
but i you know somebody just said what

913
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:17,839
did you do on october the 11th 1973 we

914
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:19,200
wouldn't know

915
00:35:23,829 --> 00:35:22,320
but a lot of them saw ufos then

916
00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:23,839
and then they heard about

917
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:24,880
um

918
00:35:29,829 --> 00:35:26,960
the pascual abduction

919
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:29,839
well that made them remember that this

920
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:32,240
was when they saw it this is when this

921
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:34,160
happened and so they have something to

922
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:36,240
lodge in their memory

923
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:37,680
to hook it to

924
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:39,359
so i think that's why

925
00:35:42,829 --> 00:35:41,920
a lot of people you know they they saw

926
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:42,839
something

927
00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:45,119
strange and if

928
00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:47,359
nothing like that had happened

929
00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:49,040
they wouldn't have said anything but

930
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:52,640
instead um charlie and calvin came forth

931
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:54,800
and said something or charlie did i'm

932
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:57,040
not too sure if calvin wanted to

933
00:36:02,790 --> 00:35:59,760
but um and it made the newspapers and

934
00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:02,800
everything and so people remembered that

935
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:03,760
and

936
00:36:07,270 --> 00:36:05,280
a lot of people wanted to report what

937
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:07,280
they were to chicken to and finally

938
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:09,280
they're coming out of the coop

939
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:10,400
yeah well

940
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:13,040
calvin has been on several news stations

941
00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:14,400
in the area

942
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:15,200
um

943
00:36:20,069 --> 00:36:17,920
talking freely about it now and i'm i'm

944
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:20,079
sure that that is making

945
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:22,880
uh has made a change in the whole thing

946
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:24,880
as far as people like saying oh yeah i

947
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:26,960
remember something

948
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:28,800
well um

949
00:36:32,790 --> 00:36:30,480
one of the

950
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:32,800
two of the people we talked to

951
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:34,320
were the blair

952
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:36,560
mr mrs blair

953
00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:40,160
and um

954
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:41,040
how

955
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:44,240
philip mano heard about him was is that

956
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:46,480
calvin gave a presentation i think at

957
00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:49,839
the library or something passagula

958
00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:50,960
and

959
00:36:56,950 --> 00:36:52,880
they heard about it on

960
00:36:59,589 --> 00:36:56,960
youtube and a daughter of the couple

961
00:37:03,430 --> 00:36:59,599
wrote some room to youtube saying yeah

962
00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:03,440
my parents were there and saw it and so

963
00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:04,240
um

964
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:07,760
philip contacted them and asked me to

965
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:09,760
interview him

966
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:12,800
and so anyway i called up mrs blair and

967
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:15,200
i first of all talked to mr blair for a

968
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:16,320
short time

969
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:17,760
and then her

970
00:37:21,750 --> 00:37:20,079
and she said that

971
00:37:23,349 --> 00:37:21,760
and her daughters

972
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:23,359
confirmed that

973
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:26,320
that they had been on the

974
00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:28,560
opposite side of the pascagoula from

975
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:29,599
where

976
00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:30,720
um

977
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:33,280
calvin and charlie were

978
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:35,680
on the day they were abducted

979
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:37,599
on the night

980
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:38,560
and

981
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:39,839
they were

982
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:41,200
by a pair

983
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:43,280
and he was waiting for his supervisor

984
00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:45,359
because he and a supervisor going out on

985
00:37:49,589 --> 00:37:47,200
a boat to do some work but the

986
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:49,599
supervisor was late and so they were in

987
00:37:55,510 --> 00:37:52,000
their car and he was sleeping

988
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:55,520
and um maria said that

989
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:57,520
she began to see this what she thought

990
00:38:02,630 --> 00:37:59,599
was an airplane it was flying around

991
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:02,640
pascagoula river just randomly

992
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:04,480
and up and down and back and forth and

993
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:05,760
everything

994
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:07,680
and she kept saying

995
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:09,599
the pilot doesn't know where he's going

996
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:12,160
the pilot seems to be lost the pilot

997
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:14,079
seems strange

998
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:16,079
and then her husband decided to take her

999
00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:18,240
to take their his clothes down to the

1000
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:19,359
ship

1001
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:21,440
and it was about nine o'clock

1002
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:23,839
and he walked down and she walked down

1003
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:25,280
and she said as she was walking down the

1004
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:26,800
pier this thing

1005
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:28,640
that looked like a person

1006
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:31,280
came up um

1007
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:32,800
to the pier

1008
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:34,640
and she thought it was a person

1009
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:37,440
and she seemed to be very very very

1010
00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:40,400
uh upset about it and then they went on

1011
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:41,920
down to the

1012
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:44,000
ship

1013
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:47,440
and then she said she came back about 12

1014
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:48,960
to the car

1015
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:51,839
and she was so scared she ran back

1016
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:53,839
and so i could tell she was real upset

1017
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:56,880
about this thing that came out of the

1018
00:39:01,589 --> 00:38:58,800
water

1019
00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:01,599
and so i uh interviewed her several more

1020
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:03,680
times and she was just really stressed

1021
00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:05,920
about it

1022
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:07,359
and there was also

1023
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:10,079
seem to be missing time too

1024
00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:11,680
but anyway

1025
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:13,920
are you able to go more into details on

1026
00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:15,200
this

1027
00:39:19,030 --> 00:39:18,079
yeah well um they were on the opposite

1028
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:19,040
side of

1029
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:21,040
the pascuala river

1030
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:22,880
at the same time as

1031
00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:23,680
the

1032
00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:25,599
abduction took place

1033
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:26,720
and so

1034
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:28,240
the thing they were saying might have

1035
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:31,119
been the same thing that abducted

1036
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:32,720
the two

1037
00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:38,150
her husband died

1038
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:40,240
last year

1039
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:43,520
and her husband had been a um debunker

1040
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:45,040
and he had always told her not to talk

1041
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:46,640
about it that

1042
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:48,160
you know people make fun of them don't

1043
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:50,079
say a word about it and

1044
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:52,240
she didn't see anything

1045
00:39:57,109 --> 00:39:53,920
and finally

1046
00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:57,119
um he got real sick and before he died

1047
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:58,240
he told

1048
00:40:03,190 --> 00:40:00,720
maria that they had been abducted

1049
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:03,200
but that he didn't want to ever talk

1050
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:05,359
about it because of the harassment and

1051
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:06,960
everything i mean he was a man he had a

1052
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:08,400
job and he didn't want to you know look

1053
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:09,520
crazy

1054
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:11,839
and so he said he remembered being

1055
00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:12,960
abducted

1056
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:15,839
that they had taken him aboard

1057
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:17,570
at taking him a board and

1058
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:18,720
[Music]

1059
00:40:22,309 --> 00:40:20,640
done measurements on him

1060
00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:22,319
and

1061
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:24,319
he seemed to be kind of repressed about

1062
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:26,960
talking about it i mean he was

1063
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:29,040
for many many years

1064
00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:30,800
but then um

1065
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:33,040
unfortunately he died and she couldn't

1066
00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:35,760
get too much more information from him

1067
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:37,280
but she said she remembered the thing

1068
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:40,160
coming down she remembered the beings

1069
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:42,560
or the one that came that she saw but

1070
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:45,680
she didn't remember being

1071
00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:47,040
in the object or anything she just

1072
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:48,400
remembered that it was

1073
00:40:53,349 --> 00:40:50,960
really brightly lit

1074
00:40:57,109 --> 00:40:53,359
and so um

1075
00:40:59,190 --> 00:40:57,119
she thinks she has repressed memories

1076
00:41:01,990 --> 00:40:59,200
and this happened way back right when

1077
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:02,000
they were first married and they just

1078
00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:04,400
started talking about it

1079
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:06,880
um just last year and then he

1080
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:08,960
unfortunately died and she didn't find

1081
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:11,200
out any more from him

1082
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:14,240
but he talked to her into um

1083
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:16,640
to her and the philip both

1084
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:18,160
before he went on the ventilator but

1085
00:41:22,630 --> 00:41:19,920
after he went on the ballot later he

1086
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:24,309
wow that's a shame

1087
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:25,680
did uh

1088
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:28,000
now this this would be a prime case for

1089
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:29,920
someone like her

1090
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:32,960
um to try you know i know it's all not

1091
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:35,280
always doesn't always work but it might

1092
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:38,240
to have a hypnotherapy regression

1093
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:39,760
you know and try to

1094
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:41,760
recall some more of those memories i

1095
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:43,440
wonder if she'd ever be up for something

1096
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:44,720
like that

1097
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:46,720
oh yeah i think she's interested i think

1098
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:49,119
she wants to be but she's

1099
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:51,440
pretty upset after his death oh of

1100
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:52,880
course

1101
00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:54,160
i don't think they've moved ahead on

1102
00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:56,240
that because of that i mean she's still

1103
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:56,960
get

1104
00:42:01,990 --> 00:42:00,640
married to him ever since she was really

1105
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:02,000
young and

1106
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:04,240
he's just adjusting that now

1107
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:06,319
right right right

1108
00:42:10,550 --> 00:42:08,319
and are there other

1109
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:10,560
are these the the two

1110
00:42:14,069 --> 00:42:12,960
i would consider that pretty major but

1111
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:14,079
um

1112
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:17,280
is there other people that actually

1113
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:18,480
witnessed

1114
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:20,400
something similar to that or was it all

1115
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:23,040
just people that had seen things that

1116
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:24,400
around that time

1117
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:26,319
well this was a

1118
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:28,160
uh first that

1119
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:29,520
i don't i don't think it's ever been

1120
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:31,680
reported before because they might have

1121
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:33,760
been abducted by the same

1122
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:35,359
object that

1123
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:37,040
uh had

1124
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:38,720
charlie and calvin

1125
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:40,000
they don't know

1126
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:42,800
but anyway it was a it seemed to be

1127
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:44,640
the reported abductions were the same

1128
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:46,000
time and place

1129
00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:47,040
which was

1130
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:49,520
has never been reported before

1131
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:51,280
but there was another

1132
00:42:54,550 --> 00:42:53,440
during that same flap there was another

1133
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:54,560
instance

1134
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:56,800
it wasn't it was in utah not the same

1135
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:00,720
time just a few weeks later another

1136
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:03,200
instance of

1137
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:06,480
a object abducting several people once

1138
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:08,480
that were different groups and so that

1139
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:09,440
was a

1140
00:43:13,589 --> 00:43:11,520
very first

1141
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:13,599
reported that sort of thing

1142
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:16,880
and then there were other people um

1143
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:18,480
calvin and charlie had always been

1144
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:21,520
criticized because they were close to a

1145
00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:23,520
big freeway

1146
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:24,880
and they thought

1147
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:26,480
people should have seen that

1148
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:27,359
but

1149
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:29,280
back then nobody said anything

1150
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:31,839
but another um

1151
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:33,520
person was

1152
00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:35,040
that there were crane operators and

1153
00:43:39,030 --> 00:43:37,119
things like that and people criticized

1154
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:39,040
well the crane operator and all these

1155
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:41,359
people should have seen it well so i

1156
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:43,520
interviewed a crane operator

1157
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:46,560
who did see something at that time

1158
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:48,000
and um

1159
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:50,000
he was in one of these big cranes and

1160
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:51,040
actually

1161
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:52,560
his crane

1162
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:57,280
um the book that um

1163
00:44:02,150 --> 00:43:59,359
the calvin wrote

1164
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:02,160
uh he was in a crane at that time

1165
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:04,720
and he saw this blue thing

1166
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:06,000
and he said it looked like it was kind

1167
00:44:11,829 --> 00:44:09,599
of transparent or like um

1168
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,839
transparent plastic or something

1169
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:13,440
and he saw they wondered what on earth

1170
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:14,480
it was

1171
00:44:19,109 --> 00:44:16,960
and then his supervisor

1172
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:19,119
the crane wasn't working and he was had

1173
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:21,440
to pull levers and things and when he

1174
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:22,800
looked back the next time it wasn't

1175
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:25,119
there but this was

1176
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:26,720
and then you know the next day he heard

1177
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:28,640
about the abduction

1178
00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:30,560
and so that would have been the same

1179
00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:36,950
and um there were several other people

1180
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:38,480
that had that

1181
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:39,680
um

1182
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:40,880
usually

1183
00:44:44,470 --> 00:44:42,800
when you get ufo reports somebody says

1184
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:44,480
oh i saw something you know a long ways

1185
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:46,240
away that just flew away

1186
00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:47,119
well

1187
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:49,599
with these there were a number of

1188
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:52,319
real close ufo reports

1189
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:53,440
that were

1190
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:54,880
different from

1191
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,910
another person

1192
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:02,829
let me

1193
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:05,119
see there were

1194
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:06,400
um

1195
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:10,480
some people on dauphin island which was

1196
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:12,240
out um

1197
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:13,760
somewhere from

1198
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:14,720
um

1199
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:16,400
the pascagoula river goes out and then

1200
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:19,440
the islands sort of toward the end of it

1201
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:21,359
and they were there

1202
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:23,760
and um

1203
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:26,000
they had a dune buggy

1204
00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:27,440
and i forget what they were doing but

1205
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:30,880
anyway they got the dune baggies stuck

1206
00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:33,040
and um

1207
00:45:37,270 --> 00:45:35,119
they were trying to get it out well they

1208
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:37,280
said this big thing came over and

1209
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:39,280
stopped right above them and it was

1210
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:41,040
shining this bright light down it was so

1211
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:42,640
bright they could see all kinds of color

1212
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:43,920
in the sand

1213
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:46,079
and they were absolutely terrified and

1214
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:48,880
they were so terrified that instead of

1215
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:50,880
trying to push the dune buggy out i

1216
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:53,520
guess they lifted it out some way

1217
00:45:58,470 --> 00:45:55,920
and got it out of there real fast

1218
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:58,480
and they told this man about it

1219
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:00,640
and he i guess he joked about him said

1220
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:02,720
yeah and then the very next day they

1221
00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:06,000
heard about the paschal abduction

1222
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:07,119
and so

1223
00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:09,760
after that he believed him

1224
00:46:14,309 --> 00:46:11,920
and so that had happened that same night

1225
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:14,319
too

1226
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:19,589
these

1227
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:21,680
three men that were going toward new

1228
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:26,470
i interviewed them too

1229
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:28,960
and um one of them was kind of famous

1230
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:30,400
but dead now

1231
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:31,440
um

1232
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:34,319
they were on the freeway

1233
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:35,839
and

1234
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:38,079
they saw this object

1235
00:46:42,790 --> 00:46:39,599
coming over them

1236
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:45,109
flew down from it

1237
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:46,400
and was right in front of their

1238
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:48,880
windshield when they were driving

1239
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:50,960
and it was like it was taking pictures

1240
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:52,640
of them or something

1241
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:54,160
and the man said it was like they were

1242
00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:55,680
all hypnotized that they couldn't they

1243
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:57,200
didn't say anything and they just

1244
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:58,640
watched this thing

1245
00:47:03,270 --> 00:47:00,960
and then it flew away

1246
00:47:06,150 --> 00:47:03,280
and they didn't talk for a while

1247
00:47:07,750 --> 00:47:06,160
and then they turned around went back

1248
00:47:09,670 --> 00:47:07,760
and it was about a month before they

1249
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:09,680
went to wherever they were going and

1250
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:12,880
they seemed to be confused and

1251
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:14,079
um

1252
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:16,640
not knowing what was going on it seemed

1253
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:18,400
like they were sort of paralyzed when

1254
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:19,839
the thing was there so there were a

1255
00:47:22,710 --> 00:47:21,119
number of

1256
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:22,720
other thing and then you know they heard

1257
00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:24,960
about the abduction the next day so they

1258
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:26,400
remembered it

1259
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:28,400
but um

1260
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:30,640
there seemed to be a number of really

1261
00:47:36,069 --> 00:47:33,839
strange reports for that same

1262
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:36,079
day and night

1263
00:47:40,549 --> 00:47:38,880
wow and what did you say was if

1264
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:40,559
i believe you said something like a few

1265
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:43,200
weeks later something happened in

1266
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:44,960
another state

1267
00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:46,800
where there were several people

1268
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:49,599
abducted did you say that yeah um there

1269
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:53,119
was one in utah

1270
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:54,880
and um

1271
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:57,680
this was a woman that had

1272
00:48:01,910 --> 00:48:01,119
a bunch of kids five or six kids

1273
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:01,920
and

1274
00:48:05,589 --> 00:48:04,000
um

1275
00:48:08,309 --> 00:48:05,599
there was some kind of a disturbance and

1276
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:08,319
she called the police about it and

1277
00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:11,200
there was a about a prowler or something

1278
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:12,400
and her kids had said there was a

1279
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:14,240
spaceman there and she didn't pay

1280
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:15,520
attention to him

1281
00:48:19,190 --> 00:48:17,839
but about a year later she read about

1282
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:19,200
ufos

1283
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:20,960
and she

1284
00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:23,920
asked the kids again

1285
00:48:27,190 --> 00:48:26,400
and they said there had been a space man

1286
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:27,200
in the

1287
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:31,270
well i guess after

1288
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:33,680
um that night

1289
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:35,760
she heard there was a prowler and she

1290
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:38,640
took her kids and went to a neighbor's

1291
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:40,160
and then came back

1292
00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:42,480
and the kids had said that um when they

1293
00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:44,480
were there in their house

1294
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:46,160
some a couple of them said there was

1295
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:48,400
space man there or something and she

1296
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:49,920
didn't pay attention to it for another

1297
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:50,800
year

1298
00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:53,359
and then she heard about ufos

1299
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:55,760
and then um

1300
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:58,480
so ufo people began to investigate and

1301
00:49:02,470 --> 00:49:00,240
hypnotize them

1302
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:02,480
and they talked about that

1303
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:04,800
all the kids except one remembered being

1304
00:49:11,430 --> 00:49:08,880
on board and she remembered it um

1305
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:11,440
under hypnosis too

1306
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:13,440
and one thing they remembered that was

1307
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:15,440
strange was they remembered being lined

1308
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:19,280
up to get onto the ufo to be abducted i

1309
00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:20,240
guess

1310
00:49:23,349 --> 00:49:22,000
and they saw neighbors

1311
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:23,359
and i think that was about the only

1312
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:24,720
other time when

1313
00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:26,880
there was any reports of

1314
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:27,680
two

1315
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:29,119
different groups of people being

1316
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:30,960
abducted about the same time and that

1317
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:31,920
was

1318
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:35,280
um also during the flap of 73.

1319
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:37,760
well back in 1969

1320
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:40,720
the berkshires um abduction there were

1321
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:42,000
people that

1322
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:44,000
it was all from the same area they were

1323
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:46,240
talking about knowing

1324
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:48,559
um you know the other pete the other

1325
00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:51,520
children that they saw on on board

1326
00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:53,119
whatever this thing was

1327
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:54,079
um

1328
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:55,839
yeah so that's the only other time i've

1329
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:56,960
ever heard of

1330
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:58,960
something like that that's that's really

1331
00:50:02,549 --> 00:50:00,240
fascinating

1332
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:02,559
so all this happens i remember when i

1333
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:04,640
was speaking with calvin about

1334
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:07,280
how um it kind of made his whole life a

1335
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:10,000
mess you know he went into hiding for a

1336
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:12,000
couple of weeks he had just started that

1337
00:50:14,950 --> 00:50:13,040
job

1338
00:50:17,829 --> 00:50:14,960
and the phone was ringing off the hook

1339
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:17,839
he was told to leave and

1340
00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:20,079
and it was it was kind of a mess for him

1341
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:21,040
for

1342
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:23,599
a long time and he never wanted to talk

1343
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:25,440
about it

1344
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:27,839
you know and uh

1345
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:29,200
and it was pretty obvious in the

1346
00:50:31,990 --> 00:50:30,559
beginning he didn't want to talk about

1347
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:32,000
it because he said that

1348
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:33,359
he wanted

1349
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:36,800
passed out

1350
00:50:41,109 --> 00:50:39,440
just so we didn't have to talk about it

1351
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:41,119
which uh

1352
00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:43,599
you know he was only 18 at the time

1353
00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:44,960
so

1354
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:46,720
yeah it was he's he's gone through quite

1355
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:48,960
a challenge with this thing

1356
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:50,960
well he really has

1357
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:54,079
and um

1358
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:57,119
so i've interviewed two people that were

1359
00:51:01,829 --> 00:51:00,000
the wives of two people just i mean

1360
00:51:03,510 --> 00:51:01,839
i interviewed um

1361
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:03,520
calvin's wife

1362
00:51:07,589 --> 00:51:06,240
and i interviewed

1363
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:07,599
maria

1364
00:51:09,910 --> 00:51:08,480
blair

1365
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:09,920
and both of

1366
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:11,760
both had husbands that refused to talk

1367
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:13,200
about the thing for

1368
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:16,000
many many many years

1369
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:17,359
and um

1370
00:51:21,910 --> 00:51:19,520
so you know if you just if you'd won

1371
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:21,920
maybe strange but i interviewed two of

1372
00:51:25,829 --> 00:51:23,599
them and i guess it's

1373
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:25,839
it you know my theory is it's just so

1374
00:51:29,990 --> 00:51:28,160
traumatic that they just it was like

1375
00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:30,000
post-traumatic stress and they just

1376
00:51:34,630 --> 00:51:32,880
didn't want to think about it

1377
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:34,640
and there might be more that

1378
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:37,680
you know they don't even remember too

1379
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:39,599
right and how

1380
00:51:42,630 --> 00:51:41,040
you know i've talked about this on the

1381
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:42,640
show a bit

1382
00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:44,319
how well

1383
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:46,319
do you think people's i know this is

1384
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:48,480
such a traumatic event you feel like

1385
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:50,400
you're going to remember

1386
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:51,839
the details

1387
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:53,359
but it is

1388
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:55,680
things get changed your your thoughts

1389
00:51:59,589 --> 00:51:57,599
get changed there's just no way around

1390
00:52:01,750 --> 00:51:59,599
that so when you're getting an interview

1391
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:01,760
with someone that

1392
00:52:06,470 --> 00:52:04,240
had this experience back in 1973 and the

1393
00:52:08,549 --> 00:52:06,480
first time blair i think you said it is

1394
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:08,559
first time they're talking about it

1395
00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:11,040
after all this time how reliable is

1396
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:15,829
i don't know because like with

1397
00:52:19,109 --> 00:52:17,520
calvin and charlie

1398
00:52:20,950 --> 00:52:19,119
everything they said

1399
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:20,960
um was a report in the newspaper

1400
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:22,800
immediately i mean their tape and

1401
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:25,040
everything well they've never changed it

1402
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:27,839
since then they've said the same thing

1403
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:28,800
you know

1404
00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:30,960
many many years later

1405
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:38,390
seeing a ufo is pretty traumatic

1406
00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:39,200
that

1407
00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:41,040
if they heard if people heard the next

1408
00:52:43,990 --> 00:52:42,240
day that

1409
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:44,000
about the abduction that they probably

1410
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:46,640
remembered it and they also told people

1411
00:52:49,349 --> 00:52:47,440
and i

1412
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:49,359
i asked everybody

1413
00:52:52,150 --> 00:52:50,880
if they told people

1414
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:52,160
and

1415
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:54,319
most of them told a few people like

1416
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:56,720
family members and things

1417
00:53:00,309 --> 00:52:58,800
and i have names

1418
00:53:02,870 --> 00:53:00,319
you know with some of them i can check

1419
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:02,880
but with others i can't but

1420
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:07,750
i

1421
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:37,440
um

1422
00:53:41,589 --> 00:53:39,280
that her husband had said something to

1423
00:53:43,829 --> 00:53:41,599
me oh you you do something on ufos and

1424
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:43,839
how interesting or whatever so they had

1425
00:54:04,630 --> 00:53:44,960
a

1426
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:04,640
this show

1427
00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:06,480
at least briefly for one of my breaks

1428
00:54:10,230 --> 00:54:07,440
that i have

1429
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:10,240
um and speaking of breaks we're uh we're

1430
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:12,720
going into the break here it's it's time

1431
00:54:17,349 --> 00:54:14,880
for us to go in and um

1432
00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:17,359
uh but before i just uh saw this

1433
00:54:22,150 --> 00:54:20,240
question pop up dr scott what did the

1434
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:22,160
alien maria blair

1435
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:25,040
saw look like and if you can answer that

1436
00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:28,240
quickly we'll go into break after that

1437
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:30,160
well she thought it looked like a human

1438
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:32,160
but it came out of the water and i asked

1439
00:54:37,589 --> 00:54:35,280
her if it was a fish and she said no

1440
00:54:41,109 --> 00:54:37,599
i guess it wasn't a dolphin she thought

1441
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:41,119
it looked very human but that's the only

1442
00:54:47,430 --> 00:54:44,400
thing she remembered but her husband

1443
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:47,440
saw beings or things or whatever

1444
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:48,960
but i don't

1445
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:52,319
know exactly if she described them and

1446
00:54:55,589 --> 00:54:54,640
like he went i don't know ventilator

1447
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:55,599
but there

1448
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:57,760
first of their he saw a different group

1449
00:55:01,349 --> 00:54:59,760
and one of them was like six feet tall

1450
00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:01,359
and then the other group that i think

1451
00:55:05,670 --> 00:55:03,920
abducted him was like five feet tall or

1452
00:55:07,109 --> 00:55:05,680
something

1453
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:07,119
it's really amazing

1454
00:55:11,109 --> 00:55:08,720
when you think about you know

1455
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:11,119
scientifically all the changes that

1456
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:13,520
gravity can make on a being growing

1457
00:55:18,789 --> 00:55:16,000
evolving and all that you know all kinds

1458
00:55:20,789 --> 00:55:18,799
of factors make uh make up what a height

1459
00:55:21,829 --> 00:55:20,799
is uh food

1460
00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:21,839
you know the

1461
00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:23,359
availability of foods and things like

1462
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:25,680
that so uh we're ready to go into the

1463
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:28,400
break so if you're over at kg r a radio

1464
00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:29,760
we'll be back in about three and a half

1465
00:55:33,510 --> 00:55:32,240
minutes and for those of you on youtube

1466
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:33,520
and

1467
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:37,440
smith coming up now this

1468
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:39,440
this little clip that i did here she

1469
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:42,640
will freeze uh um on the video but her

1470
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:44,480
the audio keeps going it was because we

1471
00:55:49,349 --> 00:55:47,040
had bad internet where we were re

1472
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:49,359
recording in newport beach out in

1473
00:55:53,910 --> 00:55:51,760
california and here it goes so over at

1474
00:56:02,309 --> 00:55:53,920
kgra radio we'll be right back right

1475
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:04,630
all right i'm in newport beach

1476
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:07,440
with yvonne smith hi yvonne hi martin

1477
00:56:11,829 --> 00:56:09,680
thank you for having me on yeah nice to

1478
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:11,839
see you as always thank you can you

1479
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:13,839
explain what you're doing out here

1480
00:56:20,230 --> 00:56:17,280
well i just finished two days of

1481
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:20,240
abduction therapist training

1482
00:56:25,109 --> 00:56:23,280
that i this is this is was one of my

1483
00:56:27,589 --> 00:56:25,119
main goals i was trying to do this for

1484
00:56:30,150 --> 00:56:27,599
four years and finally it happened this

1485
00:56:33,190 --> 00:56:30,160
weekend and i had therapists coming in

1486
00:56:36,150 --> 00:56:33,200
from massachusetts from new mexico

1487
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:36,160
new york and minnesota and my goal is to

1488
00:56:41,829 --> 00:56:39,520
have a trained abduction therapist in

1489
00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:41,839
all 50 states because it's very needed

1490
00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:44,960
now now what is what is the criteria of

1491
00:56:49,589 --> 00:56:46,720
the people that you will accept in your

1492
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:49,599
training they must already be certified

1493
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:51,359
in hypnotherapy so they must be a

1494
00:56:54,549 --> 00:56:53,520
certified hypnotherapist because i'm not

1495
00:56:56,870 --> 00:56:54,559
teaching

1496
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:56,880
the mechanics of hypnosis

1497
00:57:02,150 --> 00:56:59,760
and these are therapists who have a

1498
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:02,160
practice a functioning practice and they

1499
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:04,160
want to just bring in

1500
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:06,000
abduction cases but they're very

1501
00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:07,760
interested in they know there's a need

1502
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:08,720
for it

1503
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:09,599
so

1504
00:57:13,829 --> 00:57:11,760
i'm just teaching them from

1505
00:57:17,109 --> 00:57:13,839
you know from their what they're

1506
00:57:19,430 --> 00:57:17,119
normally practicing where you're using

1507
00:57:20,230 --> 00:57:19,440
hypnotic regression

1508
00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:20,240
and

1509
00:57:24,069 --> 00:57:22,880
going through case studies i did four

1510
00:57:26,789 --> 00:57:24,079
live

1511
00:57:28,789 --> 00:57:26,799
uh regressions with four actual

1512
00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:28,799
abductees this weekend

1513
00:57:32,789 --> 00:57:30,400
so they could see

1514
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:32,799
what happens during an actual regression

1515
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:35,200
and what i do every day

1516
00:57:40,630 --> 00:57:38,319
right well what is what in your opinion

1517
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:40,640
what's the most important thing that

1518
00:57:44,789 --> 00:57:43,040
you're teaching

1519
00:57:48,470 --> 00:57:44,799
well the most important thing first and

1520
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:48,480
foremost is to help the individual

1521
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:51,440
relieve them from ptsd post-traumatic

1522
00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:54,000
stress disorder because when they trust

1523
00:58:00,069 --> 00:57:56,720
anyone any one of us we suffer a trauma

1524
00:58:02,230 --> 00:58:00,079
we will have ptsd symptoms they're not

1525
00:58:04,230 --> 00:58:02,240
able to function it's interfering with

1526
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:04,240
their everyday life you know we have to

1527
00:58:07,430 --> 00:58:06,480
go to work we have to pay bills

1528
00:58:09,910 --> 00:58:07,440
and

1529
00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:09,920
we get them put them in regression to

1530
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:12,720
bring up the buried memories

1531
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:15,040
whatever was buried in there

1532
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:18,240
of their uh ufo sighting or their

1533
00:58:23,430 --> 00:58:21,280
missing time and as we bring it forward

1534
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:23,440
to a conscious level

1535
00:58:27,670 --> 00:58:25,920
then they're able to deal with you know

1536
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:27,680
intellectually okay

1537
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:30,000
this happened to me but i came back and

1538
00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:33,440
i'm all right and there we teach them

1539
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:35,680
how to integrate it into their lives

1540
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:38,160
that's why i created my support group

1541
00:58:43,829 --> 00:58:41,040
close encounter resource organization

1542
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:43,839
where we meet every month so i'm hoping

1543
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:45,359
that

1544
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:48,240
my new therapist will also start support

1545
00:58:53,430 --> 00:58:50,960
groups around the country excellent well

1546
00:58:55,270 --> 00:58:53,440
thank you so much thank you martin very

1547
00:58:56,370 --> 00:58:55,280
much always nice talking to you thank

1548
00:59:05,810 --> 00:58:56,380
you

1549
00:59:28,309 --> 00:59:15,740
[Music]

1550
00:59:33,750 --> 00:59:30,069
stand by martin

1551
00:59:35,750 --> 00:59:33,760
in three two one go

1552
00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:35,760
all right welcome back this is martin

1553
00:59:39,270 --> 00:59:38,400
willis and my guest tonight is dr irina

1554
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:39,280
scott

1555
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:40,400
and uh

1556
00:59:46,230 --> 00:59:42,640
always fascinating uh guest

1557
00:59:47,109 --> 00:59:46,240
uh i love the the uh the work she does

1558
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:47,119
in this

1559
00:59:54,309 --> 00:59:51,920
field and um welcome back irina and

1560
00:59:56,789 --> 00:59:54,319
let me ask you this have you

1561
00:59:59,190 --> 00:59:56,799
have you ever interacted with this topic

1562
01:00:01,190 --> 00:59:59,200
with people that you had

1563
01:00:03,349 --> 01:00:01,200
done previous work with

1564
01:00:05,750 --> 01:00:03,359
in your field in any type of way i mean

1565
01:00:08,150 --> 01:00:05,760
were you did you ever make friends

1566
01:00:11,109 --> 01:00:08,160
and say when you work for the dia or any

1567
01:00:13,109 --> 01:00:11,119
other organization in the past where

1568
01:00:14,789 --> 01:00:13,119
you kind of came out of the closet on

1569
01:00:16,870 --> 01:00:14,799
this hey look i'm doing this book on

1570
01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:16,880
ufos or anything have you ever had that

1571
01:00:21,990 --> 01:00:19,440
experience

1572
01:00:23,589 --> 01:00:22,000
yeah and people make fun of me

1573
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:23,599
they do really

1574
01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:24,400
yeah

1575
01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:27,280
so you see a ufos today and things like

1576
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:29,280
that i didn't really go around talking

1577
01:00:33,190 --> 01:00:32,160
about but people found out i was

1578
01:00:34,549 --> 01:00:33,200
um

1579
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:34,559
interested

1580
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:36,960
they would you know joke with me and

1581
01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:38,640
things well they just joke they're not

1582
01:00:41,190 --> 01:00:39,599
really

1583
01:00:42,870 --> 01:00:41,200
it's not like you wouldn't consider it

1584
01:00:44,950 --> 01:00:42,880
ridicule would you i mean it's more like

1585
01:00:46,549 --> 01:00:44,960
joking around

1586
01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:46,559
yeah it was

1587
01:00:52,710 --> 01:00:49,200
being ridiculed my sister wouldn't talk

1588
01:00:54,829 --> 01:00:52,720
about it much either uh even our family

1589
01:00:57,990 --> 01:00:54,839
we talked about this oh no that can't

1590
01:01:00,630 --> 01:00:58,000
happen um but she did she was kind

1591
01:01:03,109 --> 01:01:00,640
enough to fill out reports and my mother

1592
01:01:04,950 --> 01:01:03,119
was a real skeptic but she found she

1593
01:01:06,789 --> 01:01:04,960
filled out reports too

1594
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:06,799
so um

1595
01:01:10,390 --> 01:01:08,880
i didn't have anybody you know not tell

1596
01:01:11,430 --> 01:01:10,400
the truth or anything

1597
01:01:14,150 --> 01:01:11,440
but

1598
01:01:16,150 --> 01:01:14,160
there was some inhibition which i had a

1599
01:01:17,589 --> 01:01:16,160
lot of too until i finally came out of

1600
01:01:19,589 --> 01:01:17,599
the closet

1601
01:01:22,630 --> 01:01:19,599
well i spent about four or five days in

1602
01:01:25,109 --> 01:01:22,640
seattle a few few weeks ago visiting my

1603
01:01:27,750 --> 01:01:25,119
sister and her husband now her husband

1604
01:01:31,109 --> 01:01:27,760
my brother-in-law worked at los alamos

1605
01:01:33,190 --> 01:01:31,119
labs in new mexico and uh he's a chemist

1606
01:01:35,349 --> 01:01:33,200
and i i believe he worked in the weapons

1607
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:35,359
he was it was top secret exactly what he

1608
01:01:39,910 --> 01:01:37,200
did i remember when he was getting his

1609
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:39,920
clearance and all that um so the funny

1610
01:01:44,789 --> 01:01:41,599
conversation is uh

1611
01:01:46,789 --> 01:01:44,799
uh selma siddiq um she is one of the

1612
01:01:48,870 --> 01:01:46,799
people uh that

1613
01:01:51,190 --> 01:01:48,880
has uh is in the film that's will be

1614
01:01:52,390 --> 01:01:51,200
coming out we'll see it this year i'm

1615
01:01:54,150 --> 01:01:52,400
pretty sure

1616
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:54,160
before the year's end

1617
01:01:59,029 --> 01:01:56,240
on a major streaming platform the ariel

1618
01:02:01,430 --> 01:01:59,039
school phenomenon by uh by randall

1619
01:02:03,750 --> 01:02:01,440
nickerson that's coming out well i've

1620
01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:03,760
kept in touch with selma siddik who

1621
01:02:06,549 --> 01:02:04,720
lives in

1622
01:02:08,069 --> 01:02:06,559
seattle unfortunately i didn't get a

1623
01:02:10,549 --> 01:02:08,079
chance to visit with her i didn't have

1624
01:02:12,630 --> 01:02:10,559
enough time when i was up there uh

1625
01:02:14,789 --> 01:02:12,640
because of other things we're doing but

1626
01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:14,799
so i brought up to my my sister and my

1627
01:02:19,589 --> 01:02:17,280
brother-in-law this whole thing about

1628
01:02:21,750 --> 01:02:19,599
um the arielle school and how

1629
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:21,760
you know to me is i think it's the most

1630
01:02:26,309 --> 01:02:24,000
fascinating case of them all my own

1631
01:02:27,990 --> 01:02:26,319
personal opinion someone asked me that's

1632
01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:28,000
what i would say

1633
01:02:31,990 --> 01:02:29,920
and so i told them about

1634
01:02:33,029 --> 01:02:32,000
all these school children seeing these

1635
01:02:35,990 --> 01:02:33,039
beings

1636
01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:36,000
and some of them getting messages

1637
01:02:40,789 --> 01:02:38,400
like telepathic messages you know take

1638
01:02:42,549 --> 01:02:40,799
care of the world and and you know of

1639
01:02:44,710 --> 01:02:42,559
the earth and all that and some of them

1640
01:02:45,430 --> 01:02:44,720
not but their description of the beings

1641
01:02:50,390 --> 01:02:45,440
was

1642
01:02:52,230 --> 01:02:50,400
it's it's pretty remarkable these are

1643
01:02:54,549 --> 01:02:52,240
young uh children that are

1644
01:02:56,150 --> 01:02:54,559
impressionable so many of them saw it

1645
01:02:57,670 --> 01:02:56,160
their accounts their drawings right

1646
01:02:59,750 --> 01:02:57,680
after a teacher had the foresight to

1647
01:03:02,470 --> 01:02:59,760
have them all draw pictures of what they

1648
01:03:04,069 --> 01:03:02,480
saw it's fascinating but anyway my

1649
01:03:05,750 --> 01:03:04,079
sister's like

1650
01:03:07,589 --> 01:03:05,760
sitting there she was in the back i was

1651
01:03:09,829 --> 01:03:07,599
in the front we were driving somewhere

1652
01:03:12,549 --> 01:03:09,839
and she's she's sitting there like a

1653
01:03:14,950 --> 01:03:12,559
deer in the headlights and like her eyes

1654
01:03:16,870 --> 01:03:14,960
are glazing over i said are are you are

1655
01:03:19,109 --> 01:03:16,880
you are you actually listening to me are

1656
01:03:22,630 --> 01:03:19,119
you listening to me about this and she

1657
01:03:25,430 --> 01:03:22,640
uh uh yeah yeah and i said

1658
01:03:27,589 --> 01:03:25,440
so tell me do you just think it's all

1659
01:03:30,150 --> 01:03:27,599
bs and you think that i'm just doing

1660
01:03:31,990 --> 01:03:30,160
this show and it's all just bs and means

1661
01:03:33,990 --> 01:03:32,000
nothing i mean she's never

1662
01:03:38,069 --> 01:03:34,000
um watched one of my shows or looked at

1663
01:03:40,710 --> 01:03:38,079
any of it and she goes no i

1664
01:03:43,109 --> 01:03:40,720
i just don't know i just don't know and

1665
01:03:46,710 --> 01:03:43,119
i said well that's a good answer and

1666
01:03:49,589 --> 01:03:46,720
then i look to mr scientist uh

1667
01:03:51,270 --> 01:03:49,599
her his name is wilbur actually um and

1668
01:03:52,230 --> 01:03:51,280
he gets the joke from

1669
01:03:54,549 --> 01:03:52,240
um

1670
01:03:56,069 --> 01:03:54,559
mr ed talking horse saying wilbur and

1671
01:03:58,150 --> 01:03:56,079
all that stuff but anyway

1672
01:04:00,390 --> 01:03:58,160
uh so wilbur takes everything he's a

1673
01:04:02,470 --> 01:04:00,400
real statistical guy takes everything

1674
01:04:04,230 --> 01:04:02,480
about statistics and very very

1675
01:04:05,670 --> 01:04:04,240
scientific or whatever

1676
01:04:07,270 --> 01:04:05,680
and uh

1677
01:04:08,870 --> 01:04:07,280
so i said hey wilbur what do you think

1678
01:04:10,230 --> 01:04:08,880
about this what do you think about it

1679
01:04:13,670 --> 01:04:10,240
all

1680
01:04:17,430 --> 01:04:13,680
and he goes i think it's very possible

1681
01:04:20,150 --> 01:04:17,440
and i was i was shocked and i i said hey

1682
01:04:23,270 --> 01:04:20,160
from someone that's totally a science

1683
01:04:25,349 --> 01:04:23,280
guy you know all you do is think science

1684
01:04:26,950 --> 01:04:25,359
thank you for saying that you know thank

1685
01:04:28,549 --> 01:04:26,960
you for being open-minded that it's

1686
01:04:31,190 --> 01:04:28,559
possible

1687
01:04:32,870 --> 01:04:31,200
and um and i do see that

1688
01:04:34,789 --> 01:04:32,880
you know i'm going off my own tangent

1689
01:04:37,029 --> 01:04:34,799
here has nothing to do with our topic

1690
01:04:38,309 --> 01:04:37,039
tonight but um

1691
01:04:41,029 --> 01:04:38,319
just maybe think about it when you

1692
01:04:43,510 --> 01:04:41,039
talked about people joking or you know

1693
01:04:46,230 --> 01:04:43,520
making fun of you for for taking this

1694
01:04:49,190 --> 01:04:46,240
seriously but i think that we are seeing

1695
01:04:52,549 --> 01:04:49,200
a shift that people of science

1696
01:04:55,510 --> 01:04:52,559
are actually looking into this more than

1697
01:04:57,109 --> 01:04:55,520
ever since the 10 years and by the way

1698
01:04:59,270 --> 01:04:57,119
in just a couple weeks it'll be 10 years

1699
01:05:00,470 --> 01:04:59,280
that i've done this show

1700
01:05:03,510 --> 01:05:00,480
and uh

1701
01:05:05,109 --> 01:05:03,520
so i should have a 10th anniversary show

1702
01:05:06,549 --> 01:05:05,119
or something coming up

1703
01:05:08,309 --> 01:05:06,559
it's actually another week and a half or

1704
01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:08,319
so i believe it was the 11th of uh

1705
01:05:14,069 --> 01:05:11,760
november was the first time i did a show

1706
01:05:16,950 --> 01:05:14,079
um but anyway that was quite a rant i

1707
01:05:19,430 --> 01:05:16,960
went on what do you think about all that

1708
01:05:20,870 --> 01:05:19,440
well we're always saying science

1709
01:05:23,910 --> 01:05:20,880
cfos

1710
01:05:26,069 --> 01:05:23,920
and all that well i have scientific

1711
01:05:28,309 --> 01:05:26,079
background i mean i have a phd from

1712
01:05:30,950 --> 01:05:28,319
perfectly good school veterinary

1713
01:05:33,109 --> 01:05:30,960
medicine and i worked at a

1714
01:05:35,510 --> 01:05:33,119
in research at cornell which is ivy

1715
01:05:37,829 --> 01:05:35,520
league and wow i was a professor and

1716
01:05:40,309 --> 01:05:37,839
things like that so i and plus i have

1717
01:05:43,029 --> 01:05:40,319
lots of research papers published and so

1718
01:05:46,069 --> 01:05:43,039
i think i have a background in science

1719
01:05:49,190 --> 01:05:47,349
i mean you know

1720
01:05:51,670 --> 01:05:49,200
they say you know females aren't

1721
01:05:53,829 --> 01:05:51,680
scientists but i think i have the same

1722
01:05:55,990 --> 01:05:53,839
qualifications as a male

1723
01:05:58,789 --> 01:05:56,000
but um

1724
01:06:00,470 --> 01:05:58,799
i think that um sinus are coming out of

1725
01:06:01,349 --> 01:06:00,480
the woodwork too

1726
01:06:03,750 --> 01:06:01,359
and

1727
01:06:05,670 --> 01:06:03,760
some of the very best research has been

1728
01:06:07,430 --> 01:06:05,680
done by scientists

1729
01:06:09,510 --> 01:06:07,440
um

1730
01:06:11,349 --> 01:06:09,520
like for example

1731
01:06:14,230 --> 01:06:11,359
i worked at battelle and i knew people

1732
01:06:15,670 --> 01:06:14,240
worked there but mattel did a study for

1733
01:06:17,589 --> 01:06:15,680
project blue book

1734
01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:17,599
it was special report number 14 and it

1735
01:06:22,230 --> 01:06:20,400
was just an excellent study done in the

1736
01:06:23,270 --> 01:06:22,240
best scientific way

1737
01:06:25,349 --> 01:06:23,280
and

1738
01:06:26,630 --> 01:06:25,359
dr harley rutledge

1739
01:06:30,230 --> 01:06:26,640
who was a

1740
01:06:32,150 --> 01:06:30,240
um he had a physics department in

1741
01:06:33,829 --> 01:06:32,160
the university of southern missouri

1742
01:06:35,990 --> 01:06:33,839
missouri i think

1743
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:36,000
just did an excellent study field study

1744
01:06:39,109 --> 01:06:37,680
of ufos

1745
01:06:40,710 --> 01:06:39,119
and i think some of the very best

1746
01:06:43,510 --> 01:06:40,720
studies have been done for scientists

1747
01:06:45,190 --> 01:06:43,520
and i was sort of emphasizing that in my

1748
01:06:47,990 --> 01:06:45,200
previous book

1749
01:06:50,069 --> 01:06:48,000
to say that yes scientists do say see

1750
01:06:53,589 --> 01:06:50,079
ufos and some of them have done very

1751
01:06:55,990 --> 01:06:53,599
good work on ufos too

1752
01:06:56,789 --> 01:06:56,000
that's right

1753
01:07:01,190 --> 01:06:56,799
i

1754
01:07:03,829 --> 01:07:01,200
of feedback from your speakers

1755
01:07:06,630 --> 01:07:03,839
so if you could turn down your audio i

1756
01:07:08,630 --> 01:07:06,640
have your microphone on mute right now

1757
01:07:11,589 --> 01:07:08,640
uh while i'm talking it only happens

1758
01:07:13,029 --> 01:07:11,599
when i'm talking um but yeah if you

1759
01:07:16,549 --> 01:07:13,039
could just turn that down just a little

1760
01:07:18,710 --> 01:07:16,559
bit that'd be that would be good um so

1761
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:18,720
yeah i mean i'm seeing there's there's

1762
01:07:22,789 --> 01:07:20,400
uh

1763
01:07:23,829 --> 01:07:22,799
there's a lot of scientists

1764
01:07:26,549 --> 01:07:23,839
that are

1765
01:07:28,390 --> 01:07:26,559
actually feeling comfortable enough and

1766
01:07:30,309 --> 01:07:28,400
it's about time that's how i feel about

1767
01:07:32,150 --> 01:07:30,319
that whole thing

1768
01:07:36,150 --> 01:07:32,160
now um

1769
01:07:37,109 --> 01:07:36,160
you did i hear you um

1770
01:07:42,069 --> 01:07:37,119
where

1771
01:07:46,309 --> 01:07:44,230
i'm not sure what that noise is another

1772
01:07:49,670 --> 01:07:46,319
strange noise across here that's from

1773
01:07:51,750 --> 01:07:49,680
here oh tonight yeah um um i listened

1774
01:07:53,829 --> 01:07:51,760
for a few minutes to uh

1775
01:07:55,829 --> 01:07:53,839
uh luis uh

1776
01:07:57,829 --> 01:07:55,839
his uh the

1777
01:07:58,789 --> 01:07:57,839
unidentified celebrity review podcast

1778
01:08:01,349 --> 01:07:58,799
with you

1779
01:08:03,029 --> 01:08:01,359
and uh you worked or had something to do

1780
01:08:05,750 --> 01:08:03,039
with the window the place with the wow

1781
01:08:08,710 --> 01:08:05,760
signal the city is that did you talk

1782
01:08:11,270 --> 01:08:08,720
about that on his show

1783
01:08:13,270 --> 01:08:11,280
yeah i used to work at the um

1784
01:08:15,910 --> 01:08:13,280
as an astronomer at a volunteer

1785
01:08:16,789 --> 01:08:15,920
astronomer at the ohio state university

1786
01:08:20,229 --> 01:08:16,799
um

1787
01:08:22,070 --> 01:08:20,239
radio telescope and it was where they

1788
01:08:23,910 --> 01:08:22,080
had the wow signal i didn't have

1789
01:08:26,070 --> 01:08:23,920
anything to do with that but i worked at

1790
01:08:28,789 --> 01:08:26,080
the same place and knew all the people

1791
01:08:30,470 --> 01:08:28,799
and it still hasn't been explained it's

1792
01:08:33,430 --> 01:08:30,480
um

1793
01:08:35,749 --> 01:08:33,440
one that they consider might be a signal

1794
01:08:38,709 --> 01:08:35,759
from e.t and it's about the only one

1795
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:38,719
they've ever found through setting

1796
01:08:41,829 --> 01:08:40,880
yeah and

1797
01:08:44,630 --> 01:08:41,839
after

1798
01:08:47,590 --> 01:08:44,640
all these years and all the you know 24

1799
01:08:48,950 --> 01:08:47,600
hours a day pointed out there somewhere

1800
01:08:51,110 --> 01:08:48,960
um do you think

1801
01:08:52,390 --> 01:08:51,120
uh there's a couple of my thoughts is um

1802
01:08:55,189 --> 01:08:52,400
you know

1803
01:08:57,510 --> 01:08:55,199
maybe that's uh maybe radio signals is

1804
01:08:58,390 --> 01:08:57,520
very primitive to whatever beings are

1805
01:09:00,229 --> 01:08:58,400
out there

1806
01:09:02,630 --> 01:09:00,239
that's also a possibility and by the

1807
01:09:04,149 --> 01:09:02,640
time they reach here

1808
01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:04,159
um

1809
01:09:09,269 --> 01:09:06,480
a civilization could be extinct all that

1810
01:09:10,950 --> 01:09:09,279
type of thing but do you think it's also

1811
01:09:12,470 --> 01:09:10,960
kind of bizarre that all these years

1812
01:09:13,749 --> 01:09:12,480
have gone by and there's only been that

1813
01:09:16,070 --> 01:09:13,759
one

1814
01:09:18,550 --> 01:09:16,080
strange signal

1815
01:09:20,630 --> 01:09:18,560
yeah and um

1816
01:09:22,870 --> 01:09:20,640
i interviewed uh

1817
01:09:25,349 --> 01:09:22,880
the person that was

1818
01:09:27,749 --> 01:09:25,359
in charge of the telescope

1819
01:09:30,630 --> 01:09:27,759
on tape and i think i put it on youtube

1820
01:09:33,590 --> 01:09:30,640
and asked him and he said that maybe

1821
01:09:34,630 --> 01:09:33,600
you know we're pretty primitive and

1822
01:09:35,510 --> 01:09:34,640
you know

1823
01:09:38,309 --> 01:09:35,520
uh

1824
01:09:41,590 --> 01:09:38,319
a few or steps up they are communicating

1825
01:09:43,590 --> 01:09:41,600
but that we don't quite get it yet

1826
01:09:44,950 --> 01:09:43,600
and i think

1827
01:09:47,749 --> 01:09:44,960
the um

1828
01:09:50,470 --> 01:09:47,759
the experi the physics experiment such

1829
01:09:53,110 --> 01:09:50,480
as in quantum mechanics things like that

1830
01:09:54,149 --> 01:09:53,120
to me they're weirder than ufos

1831
01:09:55,189 --> 01:09:54,159
and maybe

1832
01:09:58,070 --> 01:09:55,199
um

1833
01:10:02,630 --> 01:09:58,080
we're sort of plowing along through you

1834
01:10:04,470 --> 01:10:02,640
know 1500s clockwork newtonian physics

1835
01:10:05,750 --> 01:10:04,480
and

1836
01:10:07,830 --> 01:10:05,760
quantum mechanics is a whole lot

1837
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:07,840
different

1838
01:10:12,070 --> 01:10:09,840
and so we may just

1839
01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:12,080
be pretty primitive

1840
01:10:17,510 --> 01:10:14,880
yeah i know um i've said this a number

1841
01:10:20,470 --> 01:10:17,520
of times on the show that you know

1842
01:10:22,550 --> 01:10:20,480
wherever we are in existence in society

1843
01:10:24,790 --> 01:10:22,560
we think we're at the top of our game

1844
01:10:26,950 --> 01:10:24,800
and that there's you know and that we

1845
01:10:28,229 --> 01:10:26,960
know everything that

1846
01:10:30,470 --> 01:10:28,239
you know we never say that we know

1847
01:10:31,270 --> 01:10:30,480
everything but we think we know mostly

1848
01:10:33,669 --> 01:10:31,280
about

1849
01:10:35,430 --> 01:10:33,679
physics or whatever but i i believe that

1850
01:10:36,630 --> 01:10:35,440
we pro may have only scratched the

1851
01:10:37,990 --> 01:10:36,640
surface of

1852
01:10:39,669 --> 01:10:38,000
you know because there are so many

1853
01:10:42,310 --> 01:10:39,679
things we especially at the quantum

1854
01:10:46,390 --> 01:10:42,320
level that we have no idea

1855
01:10:49,350 --> 01:10:46,400
yeah i think quantum level is um

1856
01:10:52,950 --> 01:10:49,360
quantum mechanics is very very different

1857
01:10:55,590 --> 01:10:52,960
from anything we understand now

1858
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:55,600
and it

1859
01:11:00,070 --> 01:10:57,120
the experiments in a lot of ways just

1860
01:11:04,550 --> 01:11:00,080
point out that we don't know anything

1861
01:11:06,870 --> 01:11:04,560
right in cern you know the that uh the

1862
01:11:08,709 --> 01:11:06,880
the collider there i mean

1863
01:11:11,830 --> 01:11:08,719
they're they're they're coming up with

1864
01:11:13,990 --> 01:11:11,840
just amazing things and how small can

1865
01:11:16,229 --> 01:11:14,000
small be you know it's

1866
01:11:18,229 --> 01:11:16,239
it's uh is it infinite you know i mean

1867
01:11:20,070 --> 01:11:18,239
it seems like it could almost be in a

1868
01:11:21,750 --> 01:11:20,080
way but it's all fascinating all that

1869
01:11:24,550 --> 01:11:21,760
stuff is fascinating but

1870
01:11:26,070 --> 01:11:24,560
anyway um so

1871
01:11:27,430 --> 01:11:26,080
i'll i'll just ask you a couple of

1872
01:11:28,950 --> 01:11:27,440
questions

1873
01:11:33,669 --> 01:11:28,960
if you

1874
01:11:34,709 --> 01:11:33,679
even with your science background and

1875
01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:34,719
all that

1876
01:11:39,669 --> 01:11:36,480
where do you think these things could be

1877
01:11:41,590 --> 01:11:39,679
coming from i mean do you think it's

1878
01:11:43,149 --> 01:11:41,600
possible that they're extraterrestrial

1879
01:11:45,110 --> 01:11:43,159
or that could it be they're

1880
01:11:47,110 --> 01:11:45,120
multi-dimensional or

1881
01:11:50,550 --> 01:11:47,120
or time travelers so what what are your

1882
01:11:55,270 --> 01:11:52,310
i don't think they've given us too much

1883
01:11:56,709 --> 01:11:55,280
information like in thinking about that

1884
01:11:59,990 --> 01:11:56,719
very first thing that happened to my

1885
01:12:01,590 --> 01:12:00,000
sister and i back when we were tiny kids

1886
01:12:02,950 --> 01:12:01,600
we still remember it

1887
01:12:04,390 --> 01:12:02,960
even though we didn't talk about it for

1888
01:12:06,149 --> 01:12:04,400
years because

1889
01:12:08,390 --> 01:12:06,159
we didn't even know it had anything to

1890
01:12:09,750 --> 01:12:08,400
ufos for a long time

1891
01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:09,760
but um

1892
01:12:13,110 --> 01:12:11,040
it was like there was some kind of

1893
01:12:15,510 --> 01:12:13,120
thought control i mean

1894
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:15,520
like i remember i wake i woke up and i

1895
01:12:19,350 --> 01:12:17,040
saw this thing flying around well i

1896
01:12:21,669 --> 01:12:19,360
didn't know my sister was awake seeing

1897
01:12:23,830 --> 01:12:21,679
the same thing but for some reason we

1898
01:12:25,990 --> 01:12:23,840
woke up at the same time

1899
01:12:28,550 --> 01:12:26,000
and the room had two doors that were

1900
01:12:29,510 --> 01:12:28,560
both closed and a window that had a

1901
01:12:31,270 --> 01:12:29,520
screen

1902
01:12:33,110 --> 01:12:31,280
and so we don't know how the thing got

1903
01:12:34,390 --> 01:12:33,120
in there we don't know why we woke up at

1904
01:12:37,110 --> 01:12:34,400
the same time

1905
01:12:39,350 --> 01:12:37,120
and then we watched it but suddenly both

1906
01:12:40,550 --> 01:12:39,360
became terrified at the same time well

1907
01:12:42,630 --> 01:12:40,560
it was like there was some kind of

1908
01:12:44,310 --> 01:12:42,640
thought control going through it

1909
01:12:46,070 --> 01:12:44,320
and also the thing just looked like a

1910
01:12:49,030 --> 01:12:46,080
tiny piece of metal

1911
01:12:51,189 --> 01:12:49,040
but it behaved like something alive

1912
01:12:53,669 --> 01:12:51,199
and there was also

1913
01:12:55,189 --> 01:12:53,679
you know a suggestion of some kind of

1914
01:12:57,110 --> 01:12:55,199
mind control

1915
01:12:59,510 --> 01:12:57,120
and so it just seemed like that

1916
01:13:01,910 --> 01:12:59,520
just way way back that

1917
01:13:03,350 --> 01:13:01,920
if i if my brain would be working when i

1918
01:13:06,470 --> 01:13:03,360
was a kid

1919
01:13:10,390 --> 01:13:08,229
it it seemed like

1920
01:13:11,510 --> 01:13:10,400
um that something

1921
01:13:13,750 --> 01:13:11,520
that seemed

1922
01:13:15,830 --> 01:13:13,760
just looked like a piece of metal seemed

1923
01:13:18,390 --> 01:13:15,840
alive in some ways

1924
01:13:20,470 --> 01:13:18,400
and it also seemed like that

1925
01:13:21,669 --> 01:13:20,480
we were experiencing some kind of mind

1926
01:13:22,870 --> 01:13:21,679
control

1927
01:13:24,550 --> 01:13:22,880
and that's

1928
01:13:26,149 --> 01:13:24,560
something that's made me wonder ever

1929
01:13:28,390 --> 01:13:26,159
since

1930
01:13:30,070 --> 01:13:28,400
if there's mind control involved in the

1931
01:13:32,070 --> 01:13:30,080
whole thing

1932
01:13:33,430 --> 01:13:32,080
which makes also makes it very very

1933
01:13:35,750 --> 01:13:33,440
complicated

1934
01:13:38,310 --> 01:13:35,760
besides the

1935
01:13:40,709 --> 01:13:38,320
quantum mechanic aspect

1936
01:13:41,990 --> 01:13:40,719
and um

1937
01:13:43,110 --> 01:13:42,000
maybe

1938
01:13:44,310 --> 01:13:43,120
the

1939
01:13:45,590 --> 01:13:44,320
um

1940
01:13:47,590 --> 01:13:45,600
maybe

1941
01:13:49,669 --> 01:13:47,600
the phenomenon is giving us clues but i

1942
01:13:50,390 --> 01:13:49,679
don't think we're really picking it up i

1943
01:13:52,310 --> 01:13:50,400
don't

1944
01:13:53,590 --> 01:13:52,320
they say you know well this couldn't be

1945
01:13:56,229 --> 01:13:53,600
done by us therefore it's

1946
01:13:58,470 --> 01:13:56,239
extraterrestrial well maybe we're not

1947
01:14:01,030 --> 01:13:58,480
very sensitive and maybe there's a lot

1948
01:14:01,910 --> 01:14:01,040
more in earth that we don't understand

1949
01:14:04,229 --> 01:14:01,920
either

1950
01:14:05,030 --> 01:14:04,239
so i don't know if we really

1951
01:14:07,510 --> 01:14:05,040
know

1952
01:14:09,750 --> 01:14:07,520
anything about it except that

1953
01:14:11,110 --> 01:14:09,760
in my opinion it might involve mind

1954
01:14:13,830 --> 01:14:11,120
control

1955
01:14:16,149 --> 01:14:13,840
that's really interesting and

1956
01:14:18,310 --> 01:14:16,159
uh i've said a number of times lately it

1957
01:14:21,350 --> 01:14:18,320
seems that i do believe that we know

1958
01:14:24,390 --> 01:14:21,360
very little about what what is going on

1959
01:14:27,030 --> 01:14:24,400
uh around us now um i remember you said

1960
01:14:29,110 --> 01:14:27,040
it didn't make any sound and i know that

1961
01:14:31,350 --> 01:14:29,120
you and your sister were terrified and

1962
01:14:33,510 --> 01:14:31,360
ran down the stairs of actually fell

1963
01:14:35,830 --> 01:14:33,520
down the stairs when you're going down

1964
01:14:37,270 --> 01:14:35,840
um but one of the things i i don't think

1965
01:14:38,870 --> 01:14:37,280
you mentioned

1966
01:14:40,630 --> 01:14:38,880
did you ever see this thing actually

1967
01:14:43,270 --> 01:14:40,640
leave

1968
01:14:46,149 --> 01:14:43,280
we didn't i don't know how it came in

1969
01:14:48,070 --> 01:14:46,159
and it just seemed to disappear

1970
01:14:50,550 --> 01:14:48,080
uh we both became terrified and ran out

1971
01:14:51,910 --> 01:14:50,560
of the room so i

1972
01:14:53,910 --> 01:14:51,920
um

1973
01:14:55,669 --> 01:14:53,920
it i suppose it just disappeared i don't

1974
01:14:57,430 --> 01:14:55,679
know

1975
01:14:58,709 --> 01:14:57,440
and did you go back to that room that

1976
01:15:00,870 --> 01:14:58,719
night

1977
01:15:02,310 --> 01:15:00,880
yes my father said he would beat us up

1978
01:15:03,990 --> 01:15:02,320
if we didn't go back in the room our

1979
01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:04,000
parents didn't believe us

1980
01:15:07,910 --> 01:15:06,400
and so we both refused to budge even

1981
01:15:09,669 --> 01:15:07,920
though he threatened us

1982
01:15:11,189 --> 01:15:09,679
and finally my mother told him to go up

1983
01:15:12,790 --> 01:15:11,199
and look and he went up and look and

1984
01:15:15,270 --> 01:15:12,800
said there's nothing in there

1985
01:15:17,030 --> 01:15:15,280
and we very very reluctantly

1986
01:15:18,550 --> 01:15:17,040
back in the room we weren't thrilled

1987
01:15:20,310 --> 01:15:18,560
about it

1988
01:15:23,110 --> 01:15:20,320
but um

1989
01:15:26,310 --> 01:15:23,120
he turned on the light and

1990
01:15:29,510 --> 01:15:26,320
there wasn't anything there but um

1991
01:15:31,510 --> 01:15:29,520
it was still pretty scary

1992
01:15:33,990 --> 01:15:31,520
and i'm sure there were days that went

1993
01:15:35,030 --> 01:15:34,000
by where you kept like looking for this

1994
01:15:37,189 --> 01:15:35,040
thing and

1995
01:15:39,990 --> 01:15:37,199
uh probably didn't get a lot of sleep i

1996
01:15:43,270 --> 01:15:41,350
yeah and

1997
01:15:44,149 --> 01:15:43,280
another thing was kind of funny was is

1998
01:15:45,189 --> 01:15:44,159
that

1999
01:15:47,350 --> 01:15:45,199
um

2000
01:15:48,630 --> 01:15:47,360
my mother was a skeptic and she told us

2001
01:15:51,510 --> 01:15:48,640
that you know that didn't happen and

2002
01:15:53,270 --> 01:15:51,520
everything but many years later

2003
01:15:54,550 --> 01:15:53,280
the whole family remembered it believe

2004
01:15:56,229 --> 01:15:54,560
it or not

2005
01:15:58,630 --> 01:15:56,239
and many years later

2006
01:15:59,990 --> 01:15:58,640
when i reported ufos i asked her to

2007
01:16:00,790 --> 01:16:00,000
write it up

2008
01:16:02,950 --> 01:16:00,800
and

2009
01:16:05,830 --> 01:16:02,960
like i said she just had heard from us

2010
01:16:08,630 --> 01:16:05,840
but what she wrote up was that she said

2011
01:16:10,790 --> 01:16:08,640
something had come in through the window

2012
01:16:12,630 --> 01:16:10,800
and that we were terrified

2013
01:16:13,750 --> 01:16:12,640
and it flew then something came in

2014
01:16:15,430 --> 01:16:13,760
through the window then this little

2015
01:16:17,750 --> 01:16:15,440
thing flew around the room

2016
01:16:19,669 --> 01:16:17,760
and then when it stopped that we were i

2017
01:16:21,590 --> 01:16:19,679
mean that when it was flying around the

2018
01:16:23,590 --> 01:16:21,600
room we were terrified then we

2019
01:16:26,470 --> 01:16:23,600
ran out when it stopped

2020
01:16:28,390 --> 01:16:26,480
it was like something released our minds

2021
01:16:31,590 --> 01:16:28,400
and that wasn't what either of us

2022
01:16:33,510 --> 01:16:31,600
remembered but it was so funny because

2023
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:33,520
she had an explanation for how the thing

2024
01:16:37,830 --> 01:16:36,000
got in the room and we had no idea how

2025
01:16:39,669 --> 01:16:37,840
it got in the room neither of us saw it

2026
01:16:41,990 --> 01:16:39,679
get in the room so it was a little bit

2027
01:16:44,310 --> 01:16:42,000
full of the whole thing

2028
01:16:48,790 --> 01:16:44,320
and can you give me your idea of what

2029
01:16:50,470 --> 01:16:48,800
you consider mind control would be

2030
01:16:52,070 --> 01:16:50,480
well in

2031
01:16:53,669 --> 01:16:52,080
that case

2032
01:16:56,790 --> 01:16:53,679
there were two of us and like if there

2033
01:16:58,310 --> 01:16:56,800
was just one of if i was there by myself

2034
01:17:00,470 --> 01:16:58,320
you know they would say this didn't

2035
01:17:03,430 --> 01:17:00,480
happen you dreamed it

2036
01:17:05,110 --> 01:17:03,440
but um in that case

2037
01:17:07,110 --> 01:17:05,120
my sister and i weren't communicating

2038
01:17:09,030 --> 01:17:07,120
with each other at all but we both

2039
01:17:11,270 --> 01:17:09,040
observed the same thing

2040
01:17:12,630 --> 01:17:11,280
and so it was like

2041
01:17:14,550 --> 01:17:12,640
um

2042
01:17:16,870 --> 01:17:14,560
there could have been some form of mind

2043
01:17:17,910 --> 01:17:16,880
control because we both saw the same

2044
01:17:21,590 --> 01:17:17,920
thing that was

2045
01:17:22,950 --> 01:17:21,600
sort of impossible what we saw in a way

2046
01:17:23,830 --> 01:17:22,960
in the same way

2047
01:17:29,189 --> 01:17:23,840
um

2048
01:17:33,030 --> 01:17:29,199
later when

2049
01:17:36,709 --> 01:17:34,630
there's

2050
01:17:39,830 --> 01:17:36,719
jenny randles wrote a book

2051
01:17:42,709 --> 01:17:39,840
that said that

2052
01:17:44,470 --> 01:17:42,719
kids sometimes see

2053
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:44,480
small ufos in their bedroom and then

2054
01:17:47,590 --> 01:17:45,280
they

2055
01:17:49,669 --> 01:17:47,600
grow up later and see

2056
01:17:51,189 --> 01:17:49,679
large ufos

2057
01:17:53,430 --> 01:17:51,199
well that's sort of

2058
01:17:55,590 --> 01:17:53,440
that was written many many years after

2059
01:17:57,030 --> 01:17:55,600
that happened to us but that was kind of

2060
01:17:58,709 --> 01:17:57,040
what happened to us

2061
01:18:00,870 --> 01:17:58,719
except that there were two of us and

2062
01:18:03,510 --> 01:18:00,880
then all the other instances i know of

2063
01:18:04,950 --> 01:18:03,520
there was just one person at a time

2064
01:18:08,950 --> 01:18:04,960
so we both have

2065
01:18:09,750 --> 01:18:08,960
um you know independent another observer

2066
01:18:11,990 --> 01:18:09,760
but

2067
01:18:12,870 --> 01:18:12,000
what i just found out very recently

2068
01:18:15,030 --> 01:18:12,880
about

2069
01:18:17,510 --> 01:18:15,040
the um

2070
01:18:19,910 --> 01:18:17,520
the weird man

2071
01:18:22,229 --> 01:18:19,920
when we had that sighting was is that

2072
01:18:23,590 --> 01:18:22,239
i told you that he didn't he said he

2073
01:18:26,950 --> 01:18:23,600
didn't see it

2074
01:18:27,910 --> 01:18:26,960
and then he gave me like the crazy sign

2075
01:18:29,750 --> 01:18:27,920
well

2076
01:18:31,990 --> 01:18:29,760
my sister just a couple of months ago

2077
01:18:32,950 --> 01:18:32,000
found a letter that she wrote to my

2078
01:18:35,510 --> 01:18:32,960
mother

2079
01:18:37,750 --> 01:18:35,520
that happened

2080
01:18:41,510 --> 01:18:37,760
that she wrote to my mother

2081
01:18:43,750 --> 01:18:41,520
that day the next day after we got home

2082
01:18:46,149 --> 01:18:43,760
and i asked her

2083
01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:46,159
um what she thought that man

2084
01:18:51,110 --> 01:18:48,400
and she said she didn't see him

2085
01:18:53,350 --> 01:18:51,120
she knew she saw him chases

2086
01:18:55,430 --> 01:18:53,360
but when he was talking to me she said

2087
01:18:57,990 --> 01:18:55,440
he didn't she'd know he was there

2088
01:19:00,390 --> 01:18:58,000
and she wondered why i took so long to

2089
01:19:02,709 --> 01:19:00,400
get my camera ready and take a picture

2090
01:19:03,990 --> 01:19:02,719
and that was pretty scary because he was

2091
01:19:05,830 --> 01:19:04,000
saying they're pointing at his head and

2092
01:19:07,990 --> 01:19:05,840
saying i don't see this

2093
01:19:09,030 --> 01:19:08,000
and she apparently didn't know he was

2094
01:19:10,950 --> 01:19:09,040
there

2095
01:19:13,910 --> 01:19:10,960
now were you you were sitting inside the

2096
01:19:15,990 --> 01:19:13,920
car though right no we were

2097
01:19:21,350 --> 01:19:16,000
um when we saw the thing we both got out

2098
01:19:23,590 --> 01:19:21,360
of the car oh i got it and i um had a

2099
01:19:25,350 --> 01:19:23,600
camera with high speed film and i

2100
01:19:28,070 --> 01:19:25,360
grabbed the film and started loading the

2101
01:19:29,510 --> 01:19:28,080
camera and that's when the man came and

2102
01:19:33,430 --> 01:19:29,520
i was just ready to take this wonderful

2103
01:19:35,510 --> 01:19:33,440
picture and so he started talking to me

2104
01:19:38,790 --> 01:19:35,520
but um we were both standing behind the

2105
01:19:40,630 --> 01:19:38,800
car and he was standing beside me

2106
01:19:41,910 --> 01:19:40,640
but she apparently didn't know he was

2107
01:19:44,630 --> 01:19:41,920
there

2108
01:19:46,390 --> 01:19:44,640
and so that's pretty scary too and

2109
01:19:47,830 --> 01:19:46,400
makes you wonder especially since he was

2110
01:19:48,630 --> 01:19:47,840
pulling to his head

2111
01:19:50,630 --> 01:19:48,640
and

2112
01:19:52,870 --> 01:19:50,640
i thought she knew he was there but

2113
01:19:54,390 --> 01:19:52,880
apparently she didn't

2114
01:19:56,390 --> 01:19:54,400
wow

2115
01:19:57,270 --> 01:19:56,400
so

2116
01:19:59,669 --> 01:19:57,280
and

2117
01:20:02,070 --> 01:19:59,679
in that case you talk about memory well

2118
01:20:04,149 --> 01:20:02,080
like i was working for the dia then

2119
01:20:05,350 --> 01:20:04,159
i had a very high security clearance and

2120
01:20:07,830 --> 01:20:05,360
i was in

2121
01:20:10,229 --> 01:20:07,840
aircraft identification so i was sort of

2122
01:20:11,350 --> 01:20:10,239
qualified for having a ufo sighting in a

2123
01:20:13,750 --> 01:20:11,360
way

2124
01:20:16,870 --> 01:20:13,760
but i knew i couldn't report it then

2125
01:20:19,030 --> 01:20:16,880
but that night i wrote down everything

2126
01:20:21,030 --> 01:20:19,040
and i don't have to rely on my memory

2127
01:20:24,149 --> 01:20:21,040
because i just wrote down in detail

2128
01:20:27,430 --> 01:20:24,159
every little detail that happened

2129
01:20:30,070 --> 01:20:27,440
because i intended to report it sometime

2130
01:20:32,229 --> 01:20:30,080
well uh there's there's a guy that i met

2131
01:20:34,790 --> 01:20:32,239
of a

2132
01:20:36,790 --> 01:20:34,800
i think he's a filmographer and actually

2133
01:20:38,950 --> 01:20:36,800
doing something for warner brothers i

2134
01:20:40,310 --> 01:20:38,960
met him out and had a nice conversation

2135
01:20:42,229 --> 01:20:40,320
with him nice guy

2136
01:20:43,750 --> 01:20:42,239
um he's a friend of a friend dean

2137
01:20:45,350 --> 01:20:43,760
aliotto's friend

2138
01:20:47,270 --> 01:20:45,360
name is charlie and i'm sitting there in

2139
01:20:48,550 --> 01:20:47,280
newport beach had a long conversation

2140
01:20:50,870 --> 01:20:48,560
with him

2141
01:20:52,470 --> 01:20:50,880
but he'll he said something kind of

2142
01:20:54,310 --> 01:20:52,480
disturbing i actually want him on the

2143
01:20:55,750 --> 01:20:54,320
show because i like to have

2144
01:20:57,750 --> 01:20:55,760
people on the show they have different

2145
01:20:59,910 --> 01:20:57,760
opinions

2146
01:21:02,310 --> 01:20:59,920
he doesn't here he is he thinks there's

2147
01:21:04,629 --> 01:21:02,320
something definitely to the abduction

2148
01:21:06,070 --> 01:21:04,639
uh you know what is happening in

2149
01:21:08,470 --> 01:21:06,080
abductions

2150
01:21:10,709 --> 01:21:08,480
but he doesn't think there's anything

2151
01:21:11,750 --> 01:21:10,719
solid out there for ufos

2152
01:21:13,430 --> 01:21:11,760
and

2153
01:21:16,310 --> 01:21:13,440
one of the things he said

2154
01:21:18,790 --> 01:21:16,320
that no person out there is a better

2155
01:21:20,390 --> 01:21:18,800
observer than another i said well what

2156
01:21:22,629 --> 01:21:20,400
about an astronaut he said no i said

2157
01:21:25,830 --> 01:21:22,639
what about in the military he said no

2158
01:21:28,870 --> 01:21:25,840
and he went on and on about that so i'm

2159
01:21:34,149 --> 01:21:28,880
asking you do you think you are a better

2160
01:21:37,590 --> 01:21:35,510
um

2161
01:21:39,189 --> 01:21:37,600
i think probably

2162
01:21:44,310 --> 01:21:39,199
that

2163
01:21:45,270 --> 01:21:44,320
are evenly distributed around in the

2164
01:21:46,870 --> 01:21:45,280
people

2165
01:21:48,470 --> 01:21:46,880
but that

2166
01:21:51,270 --> 01:21:48,480
scientists are more inhibited from

2167
01:21:54,390 --> 01:21:51,280
talking about than other people

2168
01:21:56,550 --> 01:21:54,400
or a lot of you know people in authority

2169
01:21:59,189 --> 01:21:56,560
and things because they would get more

2170
01:22:01,830 --> 01:21:59,199
trouble if they talked about it

2171
01:22:04,470 --> 01:22:01,840
and so i think probably scientists see

2172
01:22:05,990 --> 01:22:04,480
as many ufos as anybody else

2173
01:22:07,350 --> 01:22:06,000
but um

2174
01:22:09,669 --> 01:22:07,360
and i think

2175
01:22:11,189 --> 01:22:09,679
you know

2176
01:22:14,149 --> 01:22:11,199
like when this happened to me i wrote

2177
01:22:16,709 --> 01:22:14,159
everything down to make sure i had it

2178
01:22:18,310 --> 01:22:16,719
so that i could report it later

2179
01:22:21,110 --> 01:22:18,320
um

2180
01:22:22,870 --> 01:22:21,120
but i think you know it depends on your

2181
01:22:26,310 --> 01:22:22,880
eyesight and your memory and everything

2182
01:22:28,229 --> 01:22:26,320
else but i think it's i've said this on

2183
01:22:29,430 --> 01:22:28,239
the show before i think it's very

2184
01:22:30,709 --> 01:22:29,440
important

2185
01:22:32,709 --> 01:22:30,719
i was kind of surprised that my friend

2186
01:22:34,470 --> 01:22:32,719
did this immediately wrote something

2187
01:22:36,310 --> 01:22:34,480
down about it like you just said i think

2188
01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:36,320
that's very important freshen your

2189
01:22:41,270 --> 01:22:39,120
memory and doing it right then

2190
01:22:43,030 --> 01:22:41,280
yeah because i don't have to worry about

2191
01:22:45,430 --> 01:22:43,040
whether i'm

2192
01:22:46,390 --> 01:22:45,440
right now because i wrote it down right

2193
01:22:48,070 --> 01:22:46,400
then

2194
01:22:51,189 --> 01:22:48,080
and you know

2195
01:22:55,990 --> 01:22:51,199
if i had errors back then i had them but

2196
01:22:58,709 --> 01:22:56,000
um i wrote it down that next night

2197
01:23:00,470 --> 01:22:58,719
and if we could can you go over

2198
01:23:02,470 --> 01:23:00,480
i know we're not talking exactly like we

2199
01:23:04,310 --> 01:23:02,480
were before we went into break here but

2200
01:23:06,950 --> 01:23:04,320
could you please go over

2201
01:23:09,910 --> 01:23:06,960
the um details of that of that

2202
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:09,920
particular sighting and what you saw

2203
01:23:12,310 --> 01:23:10,730
yeah um

2204
01:23:13,110 --> 01:23:12,320
[Music]

2205
01:23:15,669 --> 01:23:13,120
uh

2206
01:23:17,910 --> 01:23:15,679
my sister and i were in our 20s then

2207
01:23:19,990 --> 01:23:17,920
and we had never talked about ufos

2208
01:23:21,350 --> 01:23:20,000
because our parents were

2209
01:23:23,510 --> 01:23:21,360
and everybody else you weren't supposed

2210
01:23:24,790 --> 01:23:23,520
to talk about things like that

2211
01:23:26,629 --> 01:23:24,800
but we

2212
01:23:28,229 --> 01:23:26,639
were both on the eastern seacoast i was

2213
01:23:30,550 --> 01:23:28,239
working for the dia

2214
01:23:32,390 --> 01:23:30,560
and she was

2215
01:23:37,750 --> 01:23:32,400
in

2216
01:23:39,669 --> 01:23:37,760
graduate courses or

2217
01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:39,679
more advanced courses

2218
01:23:43,350 --> 01:23:41,360
and we decided to go and see the new

2219
01:23:44,950 --> 01:23:43,360
england stage just for a

2220
01:23:46,390 --> 01:23:44,960
trip

2221
01:23:48,950 --> 01:23:46,400
vacation

2222
01:23:49,990 --> 01:23:48,960
and went up and we were going to stay in

2223
01:23:54,870 --> 01:23:50,000
boston

2224
01:23:57,270 --> 01:23:54,880
daylight so i went up to new hampshire

2225
01:23:58,790 --> 01:23:57,280
and drove around there a while and

2226
01:24:06,229 --> 01:23:58,800
interesting enough i think we were in

2227
01:24:06,239 --> 01:24:09,350
that abduction

2228
01:24:14,229 --> 01:24:12,390
in new hampshire took place but anyway

2229
01:24:16,390 --> 01:24:14,239
betty and barney hill yeah that's what i

2230
01:24:18,070 --> 01:24:16,400
meant to say i'm sorry and

2231
01:24:20,790 --> 01:24:18,080
then we came back

2232
01:24:22,709 --> 01:24:20,800
and it was dark

2233
01:24:24,870 --> 01:24:22,719
and we were going to stay in

2234
01:24:26,390 --> 01:24:24,880
boston and i looked around and i

2235
01:24:28,310 --> 01:24:26,400
couldn't find a place to stay everything

2236
01:24:29,990 --> 01:24:28,320
was crowded so i was going to drive out

2237
01:24:31,510 --> 01:24:30,000
to the

2238
01:24:33,590 --> 01:24:31,520
outer butt look around

2239
01:24:35,830 --> 01:24:33,600
and i was driving out

2240
01:24:39,830 --> 01:24:35,840
and

2241
01:24:42,149 --> 01:24:39,840
south of us we could see

2242
01:24:44,229 --> 01:24:42,159
an airport i think it was norwood

2243
01:24:46,870 --> 01:24:44,239
memorial airport and we could see

2244
01:24:48,550 --> 01:24:46,880
airplanes coming in and

2245
01:24:49,830 --> 01:24:48,560
um landing and things and they would

2246
01:24:53,030 --> 01:24:49,840
come in with their

2247
01:24:54,550 --> 01:24:53,040
red and green uh wing lights and their

2248
01:24:56,229 --> 01:24:54,560
landing lights and everything we were

2249
01:24:59,110 --> 01:24:56,239
watching them there was this thing that

2250
01:25:00,709 --> 01:24:59,120
was a whole lot lower was real white and

2251
01:25:03,270 --> 01:25:00,719
blinking

2252
01:25:05,430 --> 01:25:03,280
and my sister started saying

2253
01:25:08,070 --> 01:25:05,440
she thought this was a ufo

2254
01:25:09,590 --> 01:25:08,080
and i started saying oh you're crazy

2255
01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:09,600
and i kept telling her it was a

2256
01:25:13,910 --> 01:25:12,000
helicopter and we were arguing about

2257
01:25:16,229 --> 01:25:13,920
both of us at that time admitted to each

2258
01:25:17,990 --> 01:25:16,239
other that we'd seen ufos which is

2259
01:25:19,990 --> 01:25:18,000
something we didn't talk about

2260
01:25:21,910 --> 01:25:20,000
but anyway um

2261
01:25:23,910 --> 01:25:21,920
then i kept on driving and we were kind

2262
01:25:26,470 --> 01:25:23,920
of arguing about it

2263
01:25:29,590 --> 01:25:26,480
and i got on the um outer belt and came

2264
01:25:32,790 --> 01:25:29,600
on down to route 95

2265
01:25:34,550 --> 01:25:32,800
and there was a woods uh to the west of

2266
01:25:37,030 --> 01:25:34,560
us

2267
01:25:39,030 --> 01:25:37,040
and i saw this

2268
01:25:42,149 --> 01:25:39,040
ball

2269
01:25:43,270 --> 01:25:42,159
um it was like glass it had

2270
01:25:44,950 --> 01:25:43,280
uh

2271
01:25:47,110 --> 01:25:44,960
a light inside of it that was going

2272
01:25:49,910 --> 01:25:47,120
through a spectrum of all shades of

2273
01:25:52,709 --> 01:25:49,920
green of all shades of

2274
01:25:54,629 --> 01:25:52,719
um blue and all shades of red and all

2275
01:25:55,430 --> 01:25:54,639
kinds of shades red and blue and then

2276
01:25:56,709 --> 01:25:55,440
red

2277
01:25:58,629 --> 01:25:56,719
and i couldn't figure out what on earth

2278
01:26:00,950 --> 01:25:58,639
this was

2279
01:26:05,350 --> 01:26:04,229
the inside of the car lit up in green

2280
01:26:06,790 --> 01:26:05,360
and i couldn't figure out what was

2281
01:26:08,390 --> 01:26:06,800
happening

2282
01:26:09,750 --> 01:26:08,400
i looked around there was no green any

2283
01:26:11,750 --> 01:26:09,760
place else and the only place i could

2284
01:26:14,550 --> 01:26:11,760
think it could come from was this ball

2285
01:26:15,590 --> 01:26:14,560
of light and it wasn't green

2286
01:26:23,510 --> 01:26:15,600
and

2287
01:26:25,030 --> 01:26:23,520
was close to the ground

2288
01:26:28,310 --> 01:26:25,040
it was some distance away and it was in

2289
01:26:30,070 --> 01:26:28,320
the woods so the green light left the

2290
01:26:31,910 --> 01:26:30,080
edge the inside of the car just lit up

2291
01:26:35,189 --> 01:26:31,920
for a while and then it wasn't green

2292
01:26:36,629 --> 01:26:35,199
anymore and we kept on driving

2293
01:26:38,709 --> 01:26:36,639
um

2294
01:26:41,110 --> 01:26:38,719
and then my sister started yelling at me

2295
01:26:41,990 --> 01:26:41,120
to pull over because she said

2296
01:26:43,990 --> 01:26:42,000
this

2297
01:26:45,189 --> 01:26:44,000
light we'd been watching which was a

2298
01:26:47,750 --> 01:26:45,199
different light

2299
01:26:50,629 --> 01:26:47,760
was gonna go across the road

2300
01:26:52,550 --> 01:26:50,639
and so anyway she started yelling at me

2301
01:26:54,870 --> 01:26:52,560
and so finally i pulled over

2302
01:26:56,950 --> 01:26:54,880
and i was going to say i was going to

2303
01:26:59,590 --> 01:26:56,960
point my hand out the window and say

2304
01:27:02,550 --> 01:26:59,600
dingbat see it's a helicopter

2305
01:27:04,950 --> 01:27:02,560
and i pointed my hand out and i saw

2306
01:27:07,030 --> 01:27:04,960
a um

2307
01:27:09,110 --> 01:27:07,040
a meteor way off

2308
01:27:11,270 --> 01:27:09,120
and apparently in my sister's write-up

2309
01:27:13,030 --> 01:27:11,280
she said that at that time that the

2310
01:27:13,910 --> 01:27:13,040
inside of the car lit up and that she

2311
01:27:15,590 --> 01:27:13,920
thought

2312
01:27:17,669 --> 01:27:15,600
the big object had

2313
01:27:19,990 --> 01:27:17,679
shown a light in our car

2314
01:27:21,910 --> 01:27:20,000
which i didn't see but then i was on the

2315
01:27:22,870 --> 01:27:21,920
uh by the window too

2316
01:27:26,390 --> 01:27:22,880
and so

2317
01:27:28,790 --> 01:27:26,400
um the thing came over the road and

2318
01:27:29,750 --> 01:27:28,800
i realized that she was right and i was

2319
01:27:30,950 --> 01:27:29,760
wrong

2320
01:27:33,350 --> 01:27:30,960
it was a

2321
01:27:35,990 --> 01:27:33,360
we could see it real plain it was it had

2322
01:27:37,910 --> 01:27:36,000
like it had seven windows

2323
01:27:41,030 --> 01:27:37,920
and they blinked in a sequence like the

2324
01:27:43,270 --> 01:27:41,040
first three it went twice and then it

2325
01:27:44,550 --> 01:27:43,280
all blinked and then the last four blink

2326
01:27:45,590 --> 01:27:44,560
once and then to go through the cycle

2327
01:27:46,950 --> 01:27:45,600
again

2328
01:27:48,790 --> 01:27:46,960
they were big

2329
01:27:50,950 --> 01:27:48,800
square windows

2330
01:27:53,990 --> 01:27:50,960
and we asked each other

2331
01:27:55,030 --> 01:27:54,000
is this a blimp with lighted sides

2332
01:27:57,590 --> 01:27:55,040
and

2333
01:27:59,510 --> 01:27:57,600
no because um it didn't look anything

2334
01:28:01,270 --> 01:27:59,520
like it had we'd seen blimps with

2335
01:28:03,430 --> 01:28:01,280
lighted sides

2336
01:28:05,430 --> 01:28:03,440
and this was soundless it was going very

2337
01:28:07,350 --> 01:28:05,440
slow it had one

2338
01:28:09,110 --> 01:28:07,360
red light on one end it was real small

2339
01:28:11,350 --> 01:28:09,120
and non-blinking and one

2340
01:28:12,790 --> 01:28:11,360
green light on the other end it made no

2341
01:28:16,229 --> 01:28:12,800
sound at all

2342
01:28:17,270 --> 01:28:16,239
and we could see it real plain

2343
01:28:19,590 --> 01:28:17,280
um

2344
01:28:20,550 --> 01:28:19,600
and that's so i started loading my

2345
01:28:23,669 --> 01:28:20,560
camera

2346
01:28:25,350 --> 01:28:23,679
because i was in photography for the dia

2347
01:28:26,310 --> 01:28:25,360
and i thought this would make amazing

2348
01:28:28,390 --> 01:28:26,320
shot

2349
01:28:30,149 --> 01:28:28,400
because not only does it look like we're

2350
01:28:31,270 --> 01:28:30,159
seeing the inside of the thing if i

2351
01:28:33,110 --> 01:28:31,280
could get

2352
01:28:34,590 --> 01:28:33,120
like um

2353
01:28:36,470 --> 01:28:34,600
several shots in stereo

2354
01:28:38,149 --> 01:28:36,480
[Music]

2355
01:28:40,790 --> 01:28:38,159
maybe i could

2356
01:28:42,629 --> 01:28:40,800
sort of improve ufos exist or something

2357
01:28:44,950 --> 01:28:42,639
i couldn't but you know i thought i

2358
01:28:46,470 --> 01:28:44,960
could get a wonderful picture

2359
01:28:47,669 --> 01:28:46,480
well that's when the truck driver came

2360
01:28:49,110 --> 01:28:47,679
up just when i was ready to get the

2361
01:28:52,470 --> 01:28:49,120
picture

2362
01:28:54,790 --> 01:28:52,480
and started asking me what are you doing

2363
01:28:57,430 --> 01:28:54,800
and interrupted well

2364
01:28:58,950 --> 01:28:57,440
he laughed and i had missed a real good

2365
01:29:00,550 --> 01:28:58,960
picture

2366
01:29:02,709 --> 01:29:00,560
and the thing went over the airport and

2367
01:29:05,590 --> 01:29:02,719
it started circling and it would

2368
01:29:07,990 --> 01:29:05,600
it blinked twice going north and then

2369
01:29:11,990 --> 01:29:08,000
from north to south it goes so fast you

2370
01:29:13,350 --> 01:29:12,000
couldn't see it and then

2371
01:29:15,830 --> 01:29:13,360
i wanted to get the picture but i was

2372
01:29:19,030 --> 01:29:15,840
afraid of lens flares because i was on a

2373
01:29:19,990 --> 01:29:19,040
freeway and so i ran up a hill beside

2374
01:29:21,910 --> 01:29:20,000
the car

2375
01:29:23,189 --> 01:29:21,920
and i got a picture and

2376
01:29:26,229 --> 01:29:23,199
it

2377
01:29:27,270 --> 01:29:26,239
picture later

2378
01:29:28,870 --> 01:29:27,280
but i

2379
01:29:31,110 --> 01:29:28,880
uh wrote that up and published a

2380
01:29:33,750 --> 01:29:31,120
scientific paper and

2381
01:29:35,590 --> 01:29:33,760
what i thought was is that

2382
01:29:37,669 --> 01:29:35,600
this object had

2383
01:29:38,629 --> 01:29:37,679
um was shining a light that wasn't in

2384
01:29:41,669 --> 01:29:38,639
the

2385
01:29:42,629 --> 01:29:41,679
uh visible range and i had evidence for

2386
01:29:44,149 --> 01:29:42,639
that

2387
01:29:46,070 --> 01:29:44,159
but anyway then

2388
01:29:47,430 --> 01:29:46,080
the um

2389
01:29:50,070 --> 01:29:47,440
like i said

2390
01:29:52,790 --> 01:29:50,080
the truck driver chased us

2391
01:29:53,510 --> 01:29:52,800
and then um after i got rid of the truck

2392
01:29:55,830 --> 01:29:53,520
i

2393
01:29:56,629 --> 01:29:55,840
drove on back up

2394
01:29:59,590 --> 01:29:56,639
the

2395
01:30:02,229 --> 01:29:59,600
object started going northwest

2396
01:30:04,470 --> 01:30:02,239
and i was trying to follow it

2397
01:30:07,030 --> 01:30:04,480
and i went past that light in the woods

2398
01:30:09,189 --> 01:30:07,040
again the inside of the car lit up in

2399
01:30:12,629 --> 01:30:09,199
green again and finally i was just on

2400
01:30:13,990 --> 01:30:12,639
this real old bad gravel road that was

2401
01:30:15,750 --> 01:30:14,000
um

2402
01:30:16,629 --> 01:30:15,760
had all kinds of potholes and the houses

2403
01:30:18,070 --> 01:30:16,639
were

2404
01:30:20,229 --> 01:30:18,080
miles apart

2405
01:30:21,910 --> 01:30:20,239
and everything and i couldn't catch up

2406
01:30:23,189 --> 01:30:21,920
thing and finally i just gave up and

2407
01:30:24,950 --> 01:30:23,199
turned around

2408
01:30:27,350 --> 01:30:24,960
and came back

2409
01:30:29,830 --> 01:30:27,360
and then the next night i went

2410
01:30:32,390 --> 01:30:29,840
back to washington

2411
01:30:35,910 --> 01:30:32,400
i had a poltergeist experience

2412
01:30:39,189 --> 01:30:35,920
that night um

2413
01:30:40,790 --> 01:30:39,199
and so that was it was a very long

2414
01:30:43,189 --> 01:30:40,800
um

2415
01:30:46,390 --> 01:30:43,199
ufo experience

2416
01:30:47,830 --> 01:30:46,400
okay well if you think i'm gonna let you

2417
01:30:49,430 --> 01:30:47,840
get away without telling your

2418
01:30:51,270 --> 01:30:49,440
poltergeist story

2419
01:30:52,550 --> 01:30:51,280
you're wrong i'm gonna have to hear that

2420
01:30:54,870 --> 01:30:52,560
too

2421
01:30:56,390 --> 01:30:54,880
well i was in science and i never heard

2422
01:30:57,830 --> 01:30:56,400
of poltergeist and i didn't know

2423
01:31:03,510 --> 01:30:57,840
anything about it but

2424
01:31:06,709 --> 01:31:04,550
i went to

2425
01:31:08,390 --> 01:31:06,719
bed and it was dark

2426
01:31:10,390 --> 01:31:08,400
and i kept hearing

2427
01:31:13,110 --> 01:31:10,400
something like a man with

2428
01:31:15,189 --> 01:31:13,120
shoes on walking in the room and he'd be

2429
01:31:17,189 --> 01:31:15,199
someplace and walk a few steps and stop

2430
01:31:18,870 --> 01:31:17,199
and then be someplace else there was a

2431
01:31:20,870 --> 01:31:18,880
little bit of light coming through the

2432
01:31:22,229 --> 01:31:20,880
window from street lights i couldn't see

2433
01:31:24,950 --> 01:31:22,239
anybody

2434
01:31:27,030 --> 01:31:24,960
and if you got close to the

2435
01:31:28,629 --> 01:31:27,040
bed i'd try to feel it and i was

2436
01:31:30,790 --> 01:31:28,639
terrified

2437
01:31:33,030 --> 01:31:30,800
but i went to sleep

2438
01:31:34,709 --> 01:31:33,040
then the alarm went off and i thought it

2439
01:31:37,350 --> 01:31:34,719
was morning i got up and i was going to

2440
01:31:40,950 --> 01:31:37,360
fix breakfast and i realized it was dark

2441
01:31:43,030 --> 01:31:40,960
i looked at the time and it was 1 30.

2442
01:31:45,990 --> 01:31:43,040
and so anyway i had this alarm clock

2443
01:31:49,510 --> 01:31:46,000
with a broken off knob and i couldn't

2444
01:31:53,430 --> 01:31:49,520
turn it to adjust it very well i just if

2445
01:31:55,189 --> 01:31:53,440
i did it by hand i did it with

2446
01:31:57,350 --> 01:31:55,199
just plus or minus 15 minutes or

2447
01:31:59,830 --> 01:31:57,360
something i usually use the pliers to do

2448
01:32:02,310 --> 01:31:59,840
it and so anyway i tried to adjust it to

2449
01:32:03,110 --> 01:32:02,320
the time i'd get up

2450
01:32:05,669 --> 01:32:03,120
and

2451
01:32:07,990 --> 01:32:05,679
i was terrified

2452
01:32:10,229 --> 01:32:08,000
and i went back to sleep

2453
01:32:12,070 --> 01:32:10,239
and the alarm went off again

2454
01:32:14,709 --> 01:32:12,080
and each time i turned on the light and

2455
01:32:17,030 --> 01:32:14,719
it was like 100 watt bulb

2456
01:32:19,110 --> 01:32:17,040
and it was 2 30 right on the dot

2457
01:32:21,590 --> 01:32:19,120
well the light i went back to sleep i

2458
01:32:23,030 --> 01:32:21,600
think i put a chair against the door

2459
01:32:27,350 --> 01:32:23,040
which wouldn't have done any good if i

2460
01:32:30,550 --> 01:32:27,360
was somebody in the room anyway and um

2461
01:32:32,790 --> 01:32:30,560
it went off at 2 30 3 30 4 30 i think 5

2462
01:32:35,270 --> 01:32:32,800
30

2463
01:32:37,430 --> 01:32:35,280
and i was very seriously worried because

2464
01:32:39,669 --> 01:32:37,440
i didn't know what was going on

2465
01:32:41,830 --> 01:32:39,679
and i had this high security clearance

2466
01:32:43,350 --> 01:32:41,840
and here the slightest bit crazy you're

2467
01:32:45,750 --> 01:32:43,360
out of your job

2468
01:32:47,590 --> 01:32:45,760
and i thought you know if i'm going if i

2469
01:32:48,629 --> 01:32:47,600
went crazy

2470
01:32:50,310 --> 01:32:48,639
well

2471
01:32:52,470 --> 01:32:50,320
i'd lose my job and i'd be out you know

2472
01:32:55,270 --> 01:32:52,480
with a cup on the road or something

2473
01:32:57,430 --> 01:32:55,280
um begging and

2474
01:33:00,790 --> 01:32:57,440
um so i was trying to figure out how to

2475
01:33:03,270 --> 01:33:00,800
hot disguise insanity at work and how to

2476
01:33:05,189 --> 01:33:03,280
not talk to anybody

2477
01:33:06,870 --> 01:33:05,199
so um

2478
01:33:10,149 --> 01:33:06,880
then for some reason my toothbrush just

2479
01:33:12,310 --> 01:33:10,159
flew across the room and hit the wall

2480
01:33:14,070 --> 01:33:12,320
then i got up and

2481
01:33:16,149 --> 01:33:14,080
went to work and everything was normal

2482
01:33:18,310 --> 01:33:16,159
the rest of my life so

2483
01:33:20,950 --> 01:33:18,320
i found out about poltergeists and then

2484
01:33:23,030 --> 01:33:20,960
i found out later that people have ufo

2485
01:33:25,590 --> 01:33:23,040
experiences sometimes has poltergeist

2486
01:33:27,510 --> 01:33:25,600
experiences at the same time

2487
01:33:28,950 --> 01:33:27,520
so

2488
01:33:32,149 --> 01:33:28,960
pretty amazing and that was one of the

2489
01:33:35,110 --> 01:33:32,159
questions that i had um i had

2490
01:33:37,110 --> 01:33:35,120
what i guess i would call a poltergeist

2491
01:33:39,189 --> 01:33:37,120
experience i've never really figured out

2492
01:33:41,030 --> 01:33:39,199
it was something that made things happen

2493
01:33:42,870 --> 01:33:41,040
in a house that i was cleaning out you

2494
01:33:44,310 --> 01:33:42,880
know after picking things up for an

2495
01:33:46,629 --> 01:33:44,320
auction

2496
01:33:48,310 --> 01:33:46,639
that things actually really did happen i

2497
01:33:51,110 --> 01:33:48,320
actually witnessed them

2498
01:33:53,830 --> 01:33:51,120
and uh but i hadn't had a ufo experience

2499
01:33:55,189 --> 01:33:53,840
until you know many years after you know

2500
01:33:57,830 --> 01:33:55,199
uh

2501
01:33:59,189 --> 01:33:57,840
20 years after or something like that

2502
01:34:00,629 --> 01:33:59,199
but um you know that was one of the

2503
01:34:03,270 --> 01:34:00,639
questions that just popped up in the

2504
01:34:05,030 --> 01:34:03,280
chat was if you thought there may be a

2505
01:34:07,430 --> 01:34:05,040
connection there i do want to let

2506
01:34:09,030 --> 01:34:07,440
everyone know that you can call in and

2507
01:34:11,030 --> 01:34:09,040
ask our guest a question that phone

2508
01:34:13,030 --> 01:34:11,040
number's up on the screen eight five

2509
01:34:16,229 --> 01:34:13,040
five four seven two five four eight

2510
01:34:19,830 --> 01:34:16,239
three and bill skywalker watcher is uh

2511
01:34:21,910 --> 01:34:19,840
standing by to uh screen your call so uh

2512
01:34:23,189 --> 01:34:21,920
call in if you'd like and ask our guests

2513
01:34:26,229 --> 01:34:23,199
a question

2514
01:34:28,950 --> 01:34:26,239
so uh obviously you know that happened

2515
01:34:30,790 --> 01:34:28,960
the same night that is totally bizarre

2516
01:34:33,669 --> 01:34:30,800
but i want to talk to you

2517
01:34:35,910 --> 01:34:33,679
how did you handle this thing happening

2518
01:34:37,030 --> 01:34:35,920
you had this high position job high

2519
01:34:39,189 --> 01:34:37,040
security

2520
01:34:41,910 --> 01:34:39,199
and uh obviously you didn't talk about

2521
01:34:43,109 --> 01:34:41,920
it at work but did you talk about it to

2522
01:34:45,350 --> 01:34:43,119
friends or

2523
01:34:49,189 --> 01:34:45,360
family members besides your sister or

2524
01:34:53,270 --> 01:34:51,910
i thought about reporting it and

2525
01:34:55,430 --> 01:34:53,280
i looked up

2526
01:34:56,310 --> 01:34:55,440
ufo i didn't know anything about ufos

2527
01:34:58,149 --> 01:34:56,320
then

2528
01:35:00,470 --> 01:34:58,159
i looked up ufo in the phone directory

2529
01:35:01,189 --> 01:35:00,480
and found a number to call for ufos it

2530
01:35:03,510 --> 01:35:01,199
was

2531
01:35:05,189 --> 01:35:03,520
nycap i found out later

2532
01:35:07,270 --> 01:35:05,199
and

2533
01:35:08,870 --> 01:35:07,280
went to a

2534
01:35:11,510 --> 01:35:08,880
pay phone

2535
01:35:13,109 --> 01:35:11,520
and reported it but i didn't give my

2536
01:35:14,709 --> 01:35:13,119
name or anything because

2537
01:35:16,629 --> 01:35:14,719
i was afraid of

2538
01:35:17,669 --> 01:35:16,639
you know it might get back to the dia so

2539
01:35:20,550 --> 01:35:17,679
i didn't want

2540
01:35:22,550 --> 01:35:20,560
any information and it turned out that's

2541
01:35:25,109 --> 01:35:22,560
probably smart because like i think you

2542
01:35:26,950 --> 01:35:25,119
said maybe not cap had something to do

2543
01:35:29,270 --> 01:35:26,960
with the cia

2544
01:35:30,550 --> 01:35:29,280
and so i i reported it but i didn't give

2545
01:35:32,709 --> 01:35:30,560
my name so it wouldn't have been

2546
01:35:34,470 --> 01:35:32,719
official report or anything

2547
01:35:36,070 --> 01:35:34,480
but another thing funny that happened

2548
01:35:38,790 --> 01:35:36,080
was is that

2549
01:35:40,870 --> 01:35:38,800
i was pretty upset about it

2550
01:35:44,149 --> 01:35:40,880
and of course i didn't say i see ufos at

2551
01:35:47,030 --> 01:35:44,159
work but i just sometime

2552
01:35:49,590 --> 01:35:47,040
around you know a little bit later

2553
01:35:51,990 --> 01:35:49,600
i was in air ordered battle and we were

2554
01:35:54,070 --> 01:35:52,000
identifying airplanes

2555
01:35:56,390 --> 01:35:54,080
and i just mentioned something about oh

2556
01:35:58,229 --> 01:35:56,400
i read something about ufos in the net

2557
01:36:01,350 --> 01:35:58,239
paper or something and i thought

2558
01:36:03,669 --> 01:36:01,360
everybody start harassing me immediately

2559
01:36:05,750 --> 01:36:03,679
and they didn't my two supervisors said

2560
01:36:07,830 --> 01:36:05,760
that they had

2561
01:36:09,030 --> 01:36:07,840
reported a ufo

2562
01:36:10,950 --> 01:36:09,040
on our

2563
01:36:12,229 --> 01:36:10,960
classified film

2564
01:36:13,990 --> 01:36:12,239
and they had reported to their

2565
01:36:17,189 --> 01:36:14,000
supervisor

2566
01:36:19,750 --> 01:36:17,199
and they showed it to me and i saw

2567
01:36:22,790 --> 01:36:19,760
and they said their supervisor had

2568
01:36:24,470 --> 01:36:22,800
told him that it was a spot on the film

2569
01:36:26,550 --> 01:36:24,480
and it obviously wasn't because it was

2570
01:36:28,709 --> 01:36:26,560
on two different photographs so it

2571
01:36:30,790 --> 01:36:28,719
wasn't the spot on the film but they

2572
01:36:33,109 --> 01:36:30,800
said that their supervisors gave them

2573
01:36:33,990 --> 01:36:33,119
this real funny answer

2574
01:36:37,350 --> 01:36:34,000
that

2575
01:36:38,950 --> 01:36:37,360
it was a spot on the film and nothing

2576
01:36:40,390 --> 01:36:38,960
and they were both

2577
01:36:44,470 --> 01:36:40,400
surprised about that and i would be

2578
01:36:47,109 --> 01:36:44,480
pleased that they were that open-minded

2579
01:36:49,910 --> 01:36:47,119
right i mean that that's actually good

2580
01:36:53,270 --> 01:36:49,920
to hear uh we have uh we have a caller

2581
01:36:55,430 --> 01:36:53,280
we have ken on hold from massachusetts

2582
01:36:57,510 --> 01:36:55,440
ken you are live on the air welcome to

2583
01:36:59,590 --> 01:36:57,520
the show

2584
01:37:03,189 --> 01:36:59,600
thank you and it's a fascinating show

2585
01:37:05,270 --> 01:37:03,199
and um thank you dr scott for this um

2586
01:37:08,390 --> 01:37:05,280
show tonight and i think it's a

2587
01:37:09,430 --> 01:37:08,400
fascinating case the pesky uh peskaluga

2588
01:37:13,109 --> 01:37:09,440
case

2589
01:37:15,109 --> 01:37:13,119
my question is it's really uh weird how

2590
01:37:16,950 --> 01:37:15,119
it's a very believable case they had a

2591
01:37:19,350 --> 01:37:16,960
secret recording and the police were

2592
01:37:21,510 --> 01:37:19,360
interviewing them it's just strange how

2593
01:37:23,510 --> 01:37:21,520
those creatures that brought them the

2594
01:37:25,430 --> 01:37:23,520
robotic like creatures

2595
01:37:27,510 --> 01:37:25,440
never show up again in any other

2596
01:37:29,750 --> 01:37:27,520
encounters and that always blows my mind

2597
01:37:32,070 --> 01:37:29,760
because it's very credible case and then

2598
01:37:35,350 --> 01:37:32,080
it's never seen again what's your

2599
01:37:37,270 --> 01:37:35,360
opinion on that

2600
01:37:39,350 --> 01:37:37,280
i well

2601
01:37:40,629 --> 01:37:39,360
they're not um

2602
01:37:42,870 --> 01:37:40,639
saying something that agrees with the

2603
01:37:44,390 --> 01:37:42,880
media because if they did they'd

2604
01:37:47,350 --> 01:37:44,400
probably describe what everybody else

2605
01:37:49,270 --> 01:37:47,360
describes so it makes me

2606
01:37:51,590 --> 01:37:49,280
think more than ever that they're

2607
01:37:53,830 --> 01:37:51,600
sincere because they have the nerve to

2608
01:37:54,629 --> 01:37:53,840
describe something different

2609
01:37:55,830 --> 01:37:54,639
and

2610
01:37:57,270 --> 01:37:55,840
um

2611
01:37:59,350 --> 01:37:57,280
you know i sort of wonder about mind

2612
01:38:00,790 --> 01:37:59,360
control all these people see all kinds

2613
01:38:02,870 --> 01:38:00,800
of different things and they say well

2614
01:38:05,430 --> 01:38:02,880
these are different species and things

2615
01:38:06,870 --> 01:38:05,440
but it may be that

2616
01:38:09,109 --> 01:38:06,880
whatever it is that they put these

2617
01:38:13,189 --> 01:38:09,119
pictures in their minds of in people's

2618
01:38:17,590 --> 01:38:14,830
that's an interesting

2619
01:38:19,669 --> 01:38:17,600
thought anything else can thank you very

2620
01:38:20,950 --> 01:38:19,679
much no that was it i just wanted

2621
01:38:23,430 --> 01:38:20,960
because that was a really you know it's

2622
01:38:25,510 --> 01:38:23,440
such a very fascinating case and very

2623
01:38:27,510 --> 01:38:25,520
believable and it just it was just

2624
01:38:29,350 --> 01:38:27,520
strange always you know usually people

2625
01:38:32,149 --> 01:38:29,360
say oh you see the grey aliens the big

2626
01:38:34,070 --> 01:38:32,159
eyes and repeats and then this very very

2627
01:38:36,149 --> 01:38:34,080
credible case and then the creatures

2628
01:38:39,350 --> 01:38:36,159
never appear again so that's all i had

2629
01:38:42,790 --> 01:38:39,360
but great show thanks thank you

2630
01:38:45,350 --> 01:38:42,800
thank you that is a really good point um

2631
01:38:47,350 --> 01:38:45,360
also for perhaps mind control and by the

2632
01:38:50,950 --> 01:38:47,360
way the line is open eight five five

2633
01:38:52,790 --> 01:38:50,960
four seven two five four eight three um

2634
01:38:54,709 --> 01:38:52,800
it's really fascinating it makes me

2635
01:38:57,510 --> 01:38:54,719
wonder about your mind control thing

2636
01:38:59,910 --> 01:38:57,520
because in this particular case

2637
01:39:02,870 --> 01:38:59,920
you know we have uh

2638
01:39:03,830 --> 01:39:02,880
two people describing two completely

2639
01:39:04,870 --> 01:39:03,840
different

2640
01:39:06,709 --> 01:39:04,880
beings

2641
01:39:09,270 --> 01:39:06,719
you know a calvin didn't remember those

2642
01:39:12,149 --> 01:39:09,280
cones on the head at all

2643
01:39:13,669 --> 01:39:12,159
for the robotic ones you know uh it did

2644
01:39:16,550 --> 01:39:13,679
i think he said something about them

2645
01:39:18,629 --> 01:39:16,560
looking like they had one almost like a

2646
01:39:20,390 --> 01:39:18,639
um

2647
01:39:22,870 --> 01:39:20,400
a single

2648
01:39:24,550 --> 01:39:22,880
leg or like their two legs were joined

2649
01:39:27,750 --> 01:39:24,560
together

2650
01:39:28,550 --> 01:39:27,760
you know and not not bipedal um but also

2651
01:39:29,430 --> 01:39:28,560
didn't

2652
01:39:31,590 --> 01:39:29,440
move

2653
01:39:35,030 --> 01:39:31,600
their legs they just kind of

2654
01:39:37,430 --> 01:39:35,040
hovered but it is makes you wonder um

2655
01:39:38,790 --> 01:39:37,440
why so many times you do hear

2656
01:39:40,629 --> 01:39:38,800
that people

2657
01:39:43,030 --> 01:39:40,639
even though there's

2658
01:39:47,109 --> 01:39:43,040
having the same experience they remember

2659
01:39:47,119 --> 01:39:50,709
well i think um

2660
01:39:53,830 --> 01:39:52,790
if ever if somebody remembered exactly

2661
01:39:56,870 --> 01:39:53,840
the same thing i think it'd be

2662
01:39:58,310 --> 01:39:56,880
suspicious because i think you know you

2663
01:40:00,870 --> 01:39:58,320
remember things a little bit different i

2664
01:40:03,030 --> 01:40:00,880
mean like if you

2665
01:40:05,350 --> 01:40:03,040
saw a car accident

2666
01:40:06,550 --> 01:40:05,360
the next day you might remember exactly

2667
01:40:08,470 --> 01:40:06,560
what happened

2668
01:40:09,669 --> 01:40:08,480
the next month you might remember a car

2669
01:40:11,990 --> 01:40:09,679
accident

2670
01:40:13,590 --> 01:40:12,000
and you know a year later you'd remember

2671
01:40:16,470 --> 01:40:13,600
something about it

2672
01:40:18,310 --> 01:40:16,480
but um you remember less details but you

2673
01:40:19,830 --> 01:40:18,320
still might remember a car accident you

2674
01:40:20,790 --> 01:40:19,840
might remember the colors and things

2675
01:40:23,030 --> 01:40:20,800
like that

2676
01:40:24,070 --> 01:40:23,040
years later

2677
01:40:26,550 --> 01:40:24,080
um

2678
01:40:29,030 --> 01:40:26,560
so i think there's value in writing down

2679
01:40:31,270 --> 01:40:29,040
whatever happened real fast and in that

2680
01:40:33,189 --> 01:40:31,280
case they um

2681
01:40:33,990 --> 01:40:33,199
did

2682
01:40:39,669 --> 01:40:34,000
their

2683
01:40:43,030 --> 01:40:41,910
and so that was really good

2684
01:40:45,510 --> 01:40:43,040
but

2685
01:40:51,990 --> 01:40:48,709
i don't think uh i don't think calvin

2686
01:40:52,870 --> 01:40:52,000
wrote uh drew a picture of what he saw

2687
01:40:54,950 --> 01:40:52,880
um

2688
01:40:57,270 --> 01:40:54,960
not right away i know

2689
01:40:59,750 --> 01:40:57,280
hixon did but not not calvin i don't

2690
01:41:01,109 --> 01:40:59,760
believe so i mean i can ask him that

2691
01:41:04,149 --> 01:41:01,119
question

2692
01:41:07,270 --> 01:41:04,159
the next time i speak with him

2693
01:41:10,070 --> 01:41:07,280
but i'm not sure about that

2694
01:41:11,030 --> 01:41:10,080
well i think um

2695
01:41:13,109 --> 01:41:11,040
like

2696
01:41:14,310 --> 01:41:13,119
he didn't want to say anything about it

2697
01:41:16,550 --> 01:41:14,320
for

2698
01:41:17,430 --> 01:41:16,560
many many many years

2699
01:41:18,950 --> 01:41:17,440
and

2700
01:41:20,790 --> 01:41:18,960
um

2701
01:41:21,990 --> 01:41:20,800
like lots of people wanted to be famous

2702
01:41:23,910 --> 01:41:22,000
like he could be

2703
01:41:26,070 --> 01:41:23,920
world famous right then

2704
01:41:28,629 --> 01:41:26,080
and he just claimed up for you know the

2705
01:41:30,149 --> 01:41:28,639
next 40 50 years

2706
01:41:31,750 --> 01:41:30,159
until he finally

2707
01:41:33,270 --> 01:41:31,760
i interviewed his wife and she said he

2708
01:41:36,229 --> 01:41:33,280
didn't talk about it until he started

2709
01:41:37,510 --> 01:41:36,239
writing the book that's because she was

2710
01:41:39,669 --> 01:41:37,520
after him

2711
01:41:41,189 --> 01:41:39,679
and philip maddow was and he trusted

2712
01:41:42,790 --> 01:41:41,199
both of them

2713
01:41:45,270 --> 01:41:42,800
but that he didn't want to say anything

2714
01:41:48,229 --> 01:41:45,280
about it for a long time

2715
01:41:49,189 --> 01:41:48,239
right right i was uh i was thrilled when

2716
01:41:51,109 --> 01:41:49,199
um

2717
01:41:53,510 --> 01:41:51,119
uh he said he would actually talk about

2718
01:41:56,229 --> 01:41:53,520
it for the first time on this show you

2719
01:41:58,229 --> 01:41:56,239
know so that was pretty exciting uh and

2720
01:42:00,470 --> 01:41:58,239
and i was really thrilled that uh

2721
01:42:02,310 --> 01:42:00,480
i say it again i said it earlier that i

2722
01:42:05,750 --> 01:42:02,320
think philip mantle has done a wonderful

2723
01:42:07,510 --> 01:42:05,760
job um taking really good care of him

2724
01:42:10,550 --> 01:42:07,520
and so have you

2725
01:42:13,430 --> 01:42:10,560
and um between both of you

2726
01:42:15,270 --> 01:42:13,440
you brought it out having his wife

2727
01:42:19,510 --> 01:42:15,280
yeah yeah

2728
01:42:21,030 --> 01:42:19,520
thought about asking you about um the

2729
01:42:23,030 --> 01:42:21,040
line's still open if anyone would like

2730
01:42:25,669 --> 01:42:23,040
to call again we could

2731
01:42:27,830 --> 01:42:25,679
uh take uh several calls but if you'd

2732
01:42:29,430 --> 01:42:27,840
like to call we will keep the lines open

2733
01:42:30,790 --> 01:42:29,440
right up until about five minutes before

2734
01:42:32,709 --> 01:42:30,800
the end of the show

2735
01:42:34,629 --> 01:42:32,719
so one of the questions i wanted to ask

2736
01:42:36,950 --> 01:42:34,639
you is when

2737
01:42:39,189 --> 01:42:36,960
the topic came up earlier

2738
01:42:40,310 --> 01:42:39,199
today when we were talking about uh

2739
01:42:41,990 --> 01:42:40,320
possible

2740
01:42:42,870 --> 01:42:42,000
missing time and what do you think of

2741
01:42:45,030 --> 01:42:42,880
that

2742
01:42:47,030 --> 01:42:45,040
phenomenon do you think

2743
01:42:48,390 --> 01:42:47,040
i mean so many people have seemed to

2744
01:42:50,870 --> 01:42:48,400
reported

2745
01:42:51,910 --> 01:42:50,880
that they have missing time

2746
01:42:53,830 --> 01:42:51,920
and

2747
01:42:55,350 --> 01:42:53,840
you know do you think that is more like

2748
01:42:58,149 --> 01:42:55,360
a ps uh

2749
01:43:00,790 --> 01:42:58,159
ptsd type of thing or

2750
01:43:03,669 --> 01:43:00,800
what do you think that might be about

2751
01:43:05,189 --> 01:43:03,679
well like calvin um

2752
01:43:07,189 --> 01:43:05,199
apparently didn't want to talk about for

2753
01:43:09,590 --> 01:43:07,199
one reason because he was afraid the

2754
01:43:11,590 --> 01:43:09,600
beings would come back and get him

2755
01:43:13,990 --> 01:43:11,600
um

2756
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:18,550
it seems more like the people

2757
01:43:22,310 --> 01:43:20,470
might have been sort of put into a

2758
01:43:23,590 --> 01:43:22,320
trance or something and told not to

2759
01:43:25,910 --> 01:43:23,600
remember it

2760
01:43:32,070 --> 01:43:25,920
but then eventually they do

2761
01:43:37,990 --> 01:43:35,109
it the whole thing just seems funny

2762
01:43:39,669 --> 01:43:38,000
and in a lot of cases time seems really

2763
01:43:41,830 --> 01:43:39,679
funny too

2764
01:43:43,830 --> 01:43:41,840
um

2765
01:43:46,229 --> 01:43:43,840
yes

2766
01:43:50,310 --> 01:43:47,350
sometimes

2767
01:43:53,030 --> 01:43:50,320
like people say it's like

2768
01:43:55,189 --> 01:43:53,040
everything stopped and everything just

2769
01:43:57,430 --> 01:43:55,199
stopped and then they had this abduction

2770
01:43:58,629 --> 01:43:57,440
experience and then they were back where

2771
01:44:01,109 --> 01:43:58,639
they were

2772
01:44:03,669 --> 01:44:01,119
just like a movie and it the whole thing

2773
01:44:05,430 --> 01:44:03,679
could stop and they're removed and are

2774
01:44:07,350 --> 01:44:05,440
abducted and then they're put back into

2775
01:44:09,350 --> 01:44:07,360
the same movie or something

2776
01:44:11,590 --> 01:44:09,360
and there's

2777
01:44:14,629 --> 01:44:11,600
yeah there's missing time like they've

2778
01:44:16,390 --> 01:44:14,639
forgot something and hours that you know

2779
01:44:18,390 --> 01:44:16,400
that you don't remember but in other

2780
01:44:19,430 --> 01:44:18,400
cases they'll report that everything

2781
01:44:21,430 --> 01:44:19,440
stopped

2782
01:44:23,430 --> 01:44:21,440
you know they were watching people and

2783
01:44:26,709 --> 01:44:23,440
all the cars and everything stopped

2784
01:44:29,430 --> 01:44:26,719
and then came back to reality and that's

2785
01:44:31,109 --> 01:44:29,440
um another part of missing time which is

2786
01:44:33,910 --> 01:44:31,119
mysterious

2787
01:44:34,790 --> 01:44:33,920
it is it is really uh very interesting

2788
01:44:37,590 --> 01:44:34,800
and that

2789
01:44:40,070 --> 01:44:37,600
the thing about uh you know the time

2790
01:44:42,149 --> 01:44:40,080
hold time thing you know could possibly

2791
01:44:44,550 --> 01:44:42,159
have something to do with how they get

2792
01:44:46,950 --> 01:44:44,560
here and go away too i mean that's these

2793
01:44:48,310 --> 01:44:46,960
are all possibilities i have no idea we

2794
01:44:50,709 --> 01:44:48,320
have a couple of people lined up on the

2795
01:44:53,189 --> 01:44:50,719
phone we have dave calling right now

2796
01:44:56,390 --> 01:44:53,199
from pennsylvania dave you're live on

2797
01:44:58,870 --> 01:44:56,400
the air now thank you

2798
01:45:01,189 --> 01:44:58,880
hiya uh a great show

2799
01:45:04,149 --> 01:45:01,199
i've been fascinated with the pascagoula

2800
01:45:07,350 --> 01:45:04,159
case for a long time uh ever since i

2801
01:45:09,910 --> 01:45:07,360
first read about it back in the 70s

2802
01:45:11,990 --> 01:45:09,920
and with renewed interest after the new

2803
01:45:14,070 --> 01:45:12,000
york times article

2804
01:45:17,109 --> 01:45:14,080
it seems to have given

2805
01:45:18,950 --> 01:45:17,119
a boost to looking into the phenomenon

2806
01:45:21,189 --> 01:45:18,960
and my question is

2807
01:45:23,109 --> 01:45:21,199
has academia

2808
01:45:25,109 --> 01:45:23,119
in general

2809
01:45:27,109 --> 01:45:25,119
in mass taken a good look at this

2810
01:45:29,030 --> 01:45:27,119
phenomenon and tried to get to the

2811
01:45:31,430 --> 01:45:29,040
bottom of it

2812
01:45:32,229 --> 01:45:31,440
maybe they have and i'm just not aware

2813
01:45:34,709 --> 01:45:32,239
uh

2814
01:45:35,669 --> 01:45:34,719
so that's my question what has academia

2815
01:45:37,189 --> 01:45:35,679
done

2816
01:45:39,430 --> 01:45:37,199
in studying this

2817
01:45:41,750 --> 01:45:39,440
phenomenon if anything and i'm gonna

2818
01:45:43,669 --> 01:45:41,760
hang up so i can listen to the response

2819
01:45:45,189 --> 01:45:43,679
thank you so much bye-bye all right

2820
01:45:47,189 --> 01:45:45,199
thank you dave

2821
01:45:48,950 --> 01:45:47,199
what are your thoughts on that

2822
01:45:49,750 --> 01:45:48,960
i don't think they've done much and i

2823
01:45:50,790 --> 01:45:49,760
think

2824
01:45:52,629 --> 01:45:50,800
um

2825
01:45:54,310 --> 01:45:52,639
that maybe they'll start now because

2826
01:45:55,270 --> 01:45:54,320
it's a little more

2827
01:45:56,629 --> 01:45:55,280
um

2828
01:45:58,790 --> 01:45:56,639
open

2829
01:46:00,709 --> 01:45:58,800
uh with you know 60 minutes in the

2830
01:46:03,590 --> 01:46:00,719
government saying something could be

2831
01:46:04,629 --> 01:46:03,600
going on all that which

2832
01:46:06,790 --> 01:46:04,639
um

2833
01:46:09,990 --> 01:46:06,800
makes it a little uh more official than

2834
01:46:13,750 --> 01:46:10,000
it ever had been before

2835
01:46:16,390 --> 01:46:13,760
the government in 1947 when ufos first

2836
01:46:18,790 --> 01:46:16,400
started there was project signed

2837
01:46:21,030 --> 01:46:18,800
and the government took it seriously

2838
01:46:24,229 --> 01:46:21,040
and considered maybe this is this

2839
01:46:24,950 --> 01:46:24,239
phenomena is extraterrestrial or

2840
01:46:29,510 --> 01:46:24,960
and

2841
01:46:31,910 --> 01:46:29,520
then project sign turning the project

2842
01:46:33,669 --> 01:46:31,920
grub i mean

2843
01:46:36,790 --> 01:46:33,679
where they where they

2844
01:46:39,350 --> 01:46:36,800
um grudge i'm sorry

2845
01:46:41,270 --> 01:46:39,360
yeah where they debunked everything and

2846
01:46:43,669 --> 01:46:41,280
then it turned in project blue book

2847
01:46:45,590 --> 01:46:43,679
which also debunked everything

2848
01:46:46,950 --> 01:46:45,600
and then project blue book

2849
01:46:48,070 --> 01:46:46,960
quit

2850
01:46:49,590 --> 01:46:48,080
well

2851
01:46:51,189 --> 01:46:49,600
um

2852
01:46:53,510 --> 01:46:51,199
now we're back to

2853
01:46:54,950 --> 01:46:53,520
like we were in 1947

2854
01:46:55,830 --> 01:46:54,960
when they first

2855
01:46:57,270 --> 01:46:55,840
began

2856
01:46:59,189 --> 01:46:57,280
taking a

2857
01:47:01,189 --> 01:46:59,199
objective look at it

2858
01:47:03,189 --> 01:47:01,199
and we've gone through this big cycle of

2859
01:47:05,189 --> 01:47:03,199
debunking and debunking

2860
01:47:07,350 --> 01:47:05,199
and it seems like maybe we're way back

2861
01:47:09,109 --> 01:47:07,360
to where we were in the beginning except

2862
01:47:11,830 --> 01:47:09,119
in the beginning i think they were

2863
01:47:14,070 --> 01:47:11,840
doing a more serious study than they are

2864
01:47:15,830 --> 01:47:14,080
now but some people are doing a serious

2865
01:47:18,470 --> 01:47:15,840
study

2866
01:47:19,510 --> 01:47:18,480
yes yes but we have uh

2867
01:47:23,109 --> 01:47:19,520
we have

2868
01:47:24,950 --> 01:47:23,119
rick on from texas rick you were live on

2869
01:47:27,350 --> 01:47:24,960
the air

2870
01:47:29,510 --> 01:47:27,360
uh yes thank you uh

2871
01:47:31,109 --> 01:47:29,520
yeah i'd like to ask her

2872
01:47:33,830 --> 01:47:31,119
about

2873
01:47:36,229 --> 01:47:33,840
the dr alan j hinek

2874
01:47:39,270 --> 01:47:36,239
what information

2875
01:47:42,390 --> 01:47:39,280
did he have from this and also

2876
01:47:49,109 --> 01:47:42,400
is there any notes that left to his son

2877
01:47:55,350 --> 01:47:53,030
we're still looking into that um

2878
01:47:57,270 --> 01:47:55,360
philip just gave me some

2879
01:48:03,350 --> 01:47:57,280
information from nycap that i'm reading

2880
01:48:07,669 --> 01:48:05,990
i published in my

2881
01:48:08,950 --> 01:48:07,679
um in our

2882
01:48:10,950 --> 01:48:08,960
my my

2883
01:48:12,390 --> 01:48:10,960
recent book before this

2884
01:48:14,550 --> 01:48:12,400
um

2885
01:48:18,149 --> 01:48:14,560
some of dr heineck's letters that were

2886
01:48:19,830 --> 01:48:18,159
written in longhand that he um

2887
01:48:21,750 --> 01:48:19,840
that somebody gave to me

2888
01:48:23,830 --> 01:48:21,760
but she said

2889
01:48:25,430 --> 01:48:23,840
she didn't know anything about she was a

2890
01:48:27,350 --> 01:48:25,440
good friend of his but she didn't know

2891
01:48:29,510 --> 01:48:27,360
anything about what he knew about

2892
01:48:30,310 --> 01:48:29,520
pascagoula so

2893
01:48:33,669 --> 01:48:30,320
um

2894
01:48:35,590 --> 01:48:33,679
i'm just reading now some of the

2895
01:48:38,790 --> 01:48:35,600
in it wasn't about pascagoula though it

2896
01:48:40,950 --> 01:48:38,800
was mainly about the um

2897
01:48:43,750 --> 01:48:40,960
uh

2898
01:48:45,109 --> 01:48:43,760
flap of 1973

2899
01:48:47,189 --> 01:48:45,119
but he

2900
01:48:48,790 --> 01:48:47,199
talked to

2901
01:48:50,070 --> 01:48:48,800
um

2902
01:48:51,590 --> 01:48:50,080
the two men

2903
01:48:54,470 --> 01:48:51,600
right afterwards he was right there on

2904
01:48:57,669 --> 01:48:54,480
the spot soon afterwards and discussed

2905
01:48:59,430 --> 01:48:57,679
it with them and he believed him and

2906
01:49:01,910 --> 01:48:59,440
said they were you know honorable people

2907
01:49:03,750 --> 01:49:01,920
who were honest and

2908
01:49:06,470 --> 01:49:03,760
he believed him

2909
01:49:08,870 --> 01:49:06,480
he didn't know what ufos are and nobody

2910
01:49:10,070 --> 01:49:08,880
else does either

2911
01:49:13,030 --> 01:49:10,080
yeah

2912
01:49:15,669 --> 01:49:13,040
a great great story i was

2913
01:49:18,390 --> 01:49:15,679
talking with uh paul heineck

2914
01:49:20,470 --> 01:49:18,400
and calvin together this was out in

2915
01:49:21,669 --> 01:49:20,480
phoenix a few years ago

2916
01:49:24,070 --> 01:49:21,679
and

2917
01:49:25,669 --> 01:49:24,080
paul remembered as a little kid

2918
01:49:27,430 --> 01:49:25,679
coming in from playing i think it was

2919
01:49:29,669 --> 01:49:27,440
soccer or something like that outside

2920
01:49:31,030 --> 01:49:29,679
the phone ringing it rang all the time

2921
01:49:34,310 --> 01:49:31,040
he came in

2922
01:49:36,870 --> 01:49:34,320
and calvin was on the phone to talk to

2923
01:49:39,030 --> 01:49:36,880
to his dad jaylen heineck and calvin

2924
01:49:41,030 --> 01:49:39,040
remembers writing they had a chalkboard

2925
01:49:42,390 --> 01:49:41,040
in the kitchen where he wrote down his

2926
01:49:45,510 --> 01:49:42,400
name and phone number

2927
01:49:48,229 --> 01:49:45,520
and then uh calvin actually uh they all

2928
01:49:49,589 --> 01:49:48,239
met um the family i think calvin came

2929
01:49:52,550 --> 01:49:49,599
there one time or something like that

2930
01:49:54,470 --> 01:49:52,560
but he he met him you know a year or so

2931
01:49:55,189 --> 01:49:54,480
later i believe i may have that wrong

2932
01:49:57,910 --> 01:49:55,199
but

2933
01:49:59,589 --> 01:49:57,920
interesting to hear

2934
01:50:04,149 --> 01:49:59,599
uh paul heineck's

2935
01:50:06,870 --> 01:50:04,159
take on on that particular case

2936
01:50:09,270 --> 01:50:06,880
yeah well dr heineck uh got down there

2937
01:50:12,390 --> 01:50:09,280
just real fast and questioned them right

2938
01:50:16,149 --> 01:50:13,830
now when

2939
01:50:19,750 --> 01:50:16,159
when calvin went into more or less

2940
01:50:21,350 --> 01:50:19,760
hiding did he uh did he hide from those

2941
01:50:25,589 --> 01:50:21,360
type of people as well or was it

2942
01:50:28,550 --> 01:50:25,599
basically just the press at that time

2943
01:50:29,589 --> 01:50:28,560
well he was besieged by the press at

2944
01:50:31,510 --> 01:50:29,599
work

2945
01:50:34,149 --> 01:50:31,520
um

2946
01:50:36,950 --> 01:50:34,159
he and charlie went to work the next day

2947
01:50:40,390 --> 01:50:36,960
and the press was just all over him

2948
01:50:42,390 --> 01:50:40,400
so much that um their employers said

2949
01:50:44,790 --> 01:50:42,400
to go home

2950
01:50:47,510 --> 01:50:44,800
and he lost his job

2951
01:50:49,030 --> 01:50:47,520
and had to get another job

2952
01:50:51,189 --> 01:50:49,040
on account of

2953
01:50:52,470 --> 01:50:51,199
and um the press was just following him

2954
01:50:54,470 --> 01:50:52,480
hounding him

2955
01:50:56,229 --> 01:50:54,480
all through his life

2956
01:50:57,910 --> 01:50:56,239
and he wanted to live a normal life he

2957
01:51:00,149 --> 01:50:57,920
wanted to get married and have kids and

2958
01:51:01,430 --> 01:51:00,159
things he didn't want to be a weird ufo

2959
01:51:04,149 --> 01:51:01,440
person

2960
01:51:09,510 --> 01:51:07,030
i think he kind of hit himself and used

2961
01:51:10,870 --> 01:51:09,520
other names and things like that when he

2962
01:51:11,750 --> 01:51:10,880
signed

2963
01:51:12,950 --> 01:51:11,760
um

2964
01:51:15,189 --> 01:51:12,960
things and

2965
01:51:17,990 --> 01:51:15,199
what finally brought to a head was that

2966
01:51:20,390 --> 01:51:18,000
he and his wife went to a funeral and

2967
01:51:23,030 --> 01:51:20,400
they used the real name and people came

2968
01:51:24,310 --> 01:51:23,040
up and started in a friendly way asking

2969
01:51:26,709 --> 01:51:24,320
what happened

2970
01:51:28,709 --> 01:51:26,719
yeah and then his wife

2971
01:51:29,990 --> 01:51:28,719
said it's time to start talking about

2972
01:51:31,750 --> 01:51:30,000
this

2973
01:51:33,189 --> 01:51:31,760
and that's when you know he started

2974
01:51:35,030 --> 01:51:33,199
coming out of it

2975
01:51:37,189 --> 01:51:35,040
but um

2976
01:51:38,550 --> 01:51:37,199
he just didn't want anything to do with

2977
01:51:39,990 --> 01:51:38,560
it and

2978
01:51:41,750 --> 01:51:40,000
you know maybe a lot more happened to

2979
01:51:43,350 --> 01:51:41,760
him when he was on board or something he

2980
01:51:46,550 --> 01:51:43,360
didn't know about

2981
01:51:48,550 --> 01:51:46,560
but it was very very traumatic for him

2982
01:51:50,790 --> 01:51:48,560
rick i'm so sorry i had you on mute you

2983
01:51:53,510 --> 01:51:50,800
tried to say something

2984
01:51:56,470 --> 01:51:53,520
yes uh i'm fascinated in dr alan j

2985
01:51:58,870 --> 01:51:56,480
heineck and him following up or any

2986
01:52:01,990 --> 01:51:58,880
information that he did uh

2987
01:52:04,550 --> 01:52:02,000
to further his investigation by you know

2988
01:52:07,350 --> 01:52:04,560
i i understand that they both went to an

2989
01:52:09,990 --> 01:52:07,360
air force base to be questioned and all

2990
01:52:11,910 --> 01:52:10,000
that did allen j heineck

2991
01:52:14,070 --> 01:52:11,920
question the air force on their

2992
01:52:16,870 --> 01:52:14,080
information from those two men

2993
01:52:18,870 --> 01:52:16,880
and also are there hidden notes from dr

2994
01:52:20,229 --> 01:52:18,880
alan j highneck of

2995
01:52:22,629 --> 01:52:20,239
you know

2996
01:52:26,149 --> 01:52:22,639
more information from what they've been

2997
01:52:32,229 --> 01:52:29,430
i think philip is trying to find it

2998
01:52:34,070 --> 01:52:32,239
and he's asked a number of people

2999
01:52:36,149 --> 01:52:34,080
and he hasn't

3000
01:52:37,030 --> 01:52:36,159
um so far as i know he hasn't received

3001
01:52:38,709 --> 01:52:37,040
anything

3002
01:52:40,550 --> 01:52:38,719
and i had

3003
01:52:41,830 --> 01:52:40,560
my last book was

3004
01:52:44,390 --> 01:52:41,840
from

3005
01:52:45,189 --> 01:52:44,400
jenny zeidman who was a good friend of

3006
01:52:48,149 --> 01:52:45,199
um

3007
01:52:49,350 --> 01:52:48,159
heinick and i asked her the same thing

3008
01:52:52,149 --> 01:52:49,360
do you have

3009
01:52:54,070 --> 01:52:52,159
more information from heinek and

3010
01:52:54,870 --> 01:52:54,080
she didn't

3011
01:52:56,550 --> 01:52:54,880
um

3012
01:53:00,070 --> 01:52:56,560
and so philip i think is still trying to

3013
01:53:06,149 --> 01:53:02,229
well interesting hey ken thank you very

3014
01:53:11,109 --> 01:53:08,870
and this is rick i'm rick oh i'm sorry i

3015
01:53:12,950 --> 01:53:11,119
got i got people's names mixed up sorry

3016
01:53:14,390 --> 01:53:12,960
about that rick thank you very much for

3017
01:53:16,629 --> 01:53:14,400
the call

3018
01:53:18,790 --> 01:53:16,639
great program i watch you and listen to

3019
01:53:20,390 --> 01:53:18,800
you uh good luck for finding more

3020
01:53:22,229 --> 01:53:20,400
information and exposing them what

3021
01:53:23,430 --> 01:53:22,239
you're doing thank you

3022
01:53:25,270 --> 01:53:23,440
well he's growing

3023
01:53:28,229 --> 01:53:25,280
philip is trying is making a lot of

3024
01:53:31,669 --> 01:53:28,239
effort to try to find out um

3025
01:53:35,350 --> 01:53:31,679
and we're not getting it in place

3026
01:53:37,270 --> 01:53:35,360
yeah yeah so uh anyway we are right at

3027
01:53:40,310 --> 01:53:37,280
the end of our show now i can't believe

3028
01:53:41,350 --> 01:53:40,320
it kind of went by pretty fast and uh

3029
01:53:43,990 --> 01:53:41,360
your book

3030
01:53:46,870 --> 01:53:44,000
i do have it in the show notes anyone

3031
01:53:47,750 --> 01:53:46,880
can see the link down there to it and

3032
01:53:49,990 --> 01:53:47,760
that

3033
01:53:52,550 --> 01:53:50,000
should be a fascinating

3034
01:53:54,870 --> 01:53:52,560
uh fascinating read and do you think

3035
01:53:56,629 --> 01:53:54,880
there's more we have just a minute here

3036
01:53:57,510 --> 01:53:56,639
is there more to come out about this or

3037
01:54:00,550 --> 01:53:57,520
do you think

3038
01:54:03,669 --> 01:54:00,560
it's pretty much expended

3039
01:54:05,109 --> 01:54:03,679
well a lot of my book was on the sound

3040
01:54:07,109 --> 01:54:05,119
and um

3041
01:54:08,390 --> 01:54:07,119
we didn't talk much about that

3042
01:54:10,470 --> 01:54:08,400
or at all

3043
01:54:13,109 --> 01:54:10,480
sorry about that

3044
01:54:16,310 --> 01:54:14,149
okay

3045
01:54:17,910 --> 01:54:16,320
um ufos are

3046
01:54:20,149 --> 01:54:17,920
sort of noted for not having many

3047
01:54:21,030 --> 01:54:20,159
witnesses and things well this sound was

3048
01:54:22,950 --> 01:54:21,040
heard

3049
01:54:24,149 --> 01:54:22,960
over a huge area by all kinds of

3050
01:54:26,950 --> 01:54:24,159
witnesses

3051
01:54:29,189 --> 01:54:26,960
but it's never been explained and i used

3052
01:54:32,310 --> 01:54:29,199
a lot of information from nancy

3053
01:54:34,470 --> 01:54:32,320
and things like that to try to

3054
01:54:37,030 --> 01:54:34,480
explore it mathematically and everything

3055
01:54:39,350 --> 01:54:37,040
and it's a pretty mysterious sound and

3056
01:54:41,589 --> 01:54:39,360
it had a lot of witnesses and it

3057
01:54:43,030 --> 01:54:41,599
happened the same time as the pasagula

3058
01:54:46,149 --> 01:54:43,040
thing

3059
01:54:48,390 --> 01:54:46,159
uh it was pretty interesting

3060
01:54:49,990 --> 01:54:48,400
and unexplained still

3061
01:54:51,589 --> 01:54:50,000
all right well we are at the end of our

3062
01:54:53,430 --> 01:54:51,599
time thank you so much it's been a real

3063
01:54:57,350 --> 01:54:53,440
pleasure as always

3064
01:54:58,950 --> 01:54:57,360
thank you all right you take care

3065
01:55:01,189 --> 01:54:58,960
all right everyone so that's it for our

3066
01:55:03,990 --> 01:55:01,199
show this evening thanks so much for

3067
01:55:05,830 --> 01:55:04,000
being on board and chris pittman next

3068
01:55:08,950 --> 01:55:05,840
week should be a great show

3069
01:55:13,790 --> 01:55:08,960
and thanks so much and remember as

3070
01:55:23,110 --> 01:55:13,800
always keep your eyes to the sky